Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

[xyzzy]

votecount 3.03

3 players voting for Kokichi Oma (Ausuka, Nero Cain, Gamma Emerald)

6 players not voting (Chickadee, Momrangal, profii, Bins, vonflare, Kokichi Oma)

with 9 votes, it takes 5 to lynch.

as of this votecount, you have (expired on 2018-05-02 14:40:00).

mod notes:

[profii]

No I’m town reading him because laying a trap for scum is a town endeavour

how did he lay a trap for scum though? all I'm seeing is that he scumread you afterwards for posturing. even if it was a reaction test I don't see how that can't be faked.

i entirely accept you could be right

but

it doesn't really help if i say 'kokis done a gambit, wifom!'

so I've picked town, you've picked scum.

[Momrangal]

VOTE: Nero

[Momrangal]

Nero legit voted someone he thought was town yesterday ajd didnt even wait for a claim before hammer.

Also trying to hammer before I even get a xhance to post in this goddman thing

[Momrangal]

Pork was obvious town.

Pork was not obvtown but Nero was inclined to believe he was town before he hammered. nero also didnt fight very hard for the people he is scum reading.

Ge also just doesn't engange with me when i was talkjng to him post hammer and simply decides to just wave me down

[Momrangal]

Not buying it. Yeah, bins could be scum

I agree with her regarding this though

[Momrangal]

Guys.

Lets put the anti-town play to the side right now and lets talk about how Nero is going after low hanging fruit and isn't really doing any real analysis this game at all.

[profii]

No I’m town reading him because laying a trap for scum is a town endeavour

how did he lay a trap for scum though? all I'm seeing is that he scumread you afterwards for posturing. even if it was a reaction test I don't see how that can't be faked.

only scum was going to hammer that. I don't think we have any real lol hammer'ers in this game.

So he bit at my reaction to scum read me, which seems like a logical thing to do, though there is a small chance it could just be trying to scum read anyone falsely. I'd probably agree with you and say scum if he was getting on an existing wagon, but as vote 1 I'm calling it town.

[profii]

I'd like to here more from Nero about the hammer being "the right thing to do" and I'd like to hear Moms thoughts on Me & Von - presumably one of us is scum from your point of view

[Momrangal]

Ive made my opinions clear on the two of you since day one but as of current im not very comfortable with my stance on the two of you.

Based off the interactions of worst/von in thread im inclined to beleive that if there is a scum in the hood its still you

[Ausuka]

No I’m town reading him because laying a trap for scum is a town endeavour

how did he lay a trap for scum though? all I'm seeing is that he scumread you afterwards for posturing. even if it was a reaction test I don't see how that can't be faked.

i entirely accept you could be right

but

it doesn't really help if i say 'kokis done a gambit, wifom!'

so I've picked town, you've picked scum.

Can you explain what you're saying again? because this makes no sense to me. Are you trying to say that you HAVE to have the selfvote as alignment indicative, and you arbritrarily said it was town? That's the closest thing I can get to an actual thought but that doesn't actually make sense either, coming from either alignment.

I don't think {Nero/Koki} is SvS and because I strongly believe Koki is scum, I believe nero is town. I don't think the hammer on porkens on scummy; there was a soft guilty on his slot which never would have gone away, and he had replaced out. there's no reason to make a replacement replace in to a pretty hopeless spot.

[Momrangal]

Was there one?

I missed it.

But you dont think hammering a town read isn't scummy?

[Momrangal]

Also, outside of antitown behavior, why is koki scum?

[Ausuka]

what if, hypothetically, there was a town roleblocker (not claiming modifiers) in this game? And then that same player targeted porkens on n1? And- completely hypothetically of course- there was no kill on that same night?

yeah that's why I'm pretty sure porkens flips scum here. I mean he's also been acting scummy but that is the main thing.

Wait no I think I get what you mean. To be clear- I am actually claiming town roleblocker. I'm just a sarcastic ass.

I mean under normal circumstances I'd agree with that, but d2 was kinda different- I don't think it's scummy to hammer there and I think the players who voted Pork to L-1 within hours would agree.

[Momrangal]

Ok i agree with what Gamma had said back then.

But also, why is koki scum outside of antitown behavior

[Momrangal]

Also!

I'm a townie.

Passing the ball to Nero

[Nero Cain]

Nero legit voted someone he thought was town yesterday ajd

didnt even wait for a claim before hammer.

the bold is blatantly false. You keep saying things that are utterly untrue. Why would you lie like that?

Also trying to hammer before I even get a xhance to post in this goddman thing

ummmm....my hammer on Koki was entirely fake since I was already voting her.

I didn't feel like Pork was town via play, I was town reading him based on Worst. Once he claimed he was either scum that was brazenly claiming encryptor or claiming that he was some type of like global encryptor...either way I felt like denying scum day talk was a good thing. True, I didn't realize that we had so much time left and we could have spent some more time talking about it and that's maybe a bit of a misplay on my part.

Anyways, this is the second time Mom has lied to me so the scum team is koki, profi, mom. Game solved.

[Nero Cain]

ditto quasi-guilty on Pork.

Ge also just doesn't engange with me when i was talkjng to him post hammer and simply decides to just wave me down

this is also not true.

[Ausuka]

But also, why is koki scum outside of antitown behavior

The selfvote gambit was just a trick, not antitown behaviour. He pretended to be fustrated at his wagon, but at the same time, he said literally everyone on his wagon was scum. That's a contradiction. I KNEW it was a gambit, and I KNEW he would unvote, I called him out as soon as he selfvoted, and sure enough, after everyone had decided he was bad town like he intended, he unvoted himself.

He was posturing on porkens d2- he said "still think the slot is town" but didn't make any serious effort to save him. He saw the wagon go to L-1, he knew the lynch was happening, he knew why it was happening, but he chose to just say "Oh he's probably still town" and not actually try to save the slot. Yet still, he's been saying things like "Porkens was obvious town" and "Nero scumreads me,but flashhammers town cop" d3, as if he was the saviour of porkens- even though he let porkens die.

Also, he's been scummy since gamestart; he pretended to have no reads for a very large portion of the early game, which is suspicious to me. Of course, reads are weak at this point, but I find it hard to believe that he has NO reads on page 7. I think it's more likely that in the early game, he thought that because of the 1 month deadline, scum should lurk to cause apathy and stagnation.

[Ausuka]

the votes on profii and Ico d1 were very opportunistic, too. the way he progressed from not voting me or anything into tunneling me for no reason was scummy, too.

[profii]

Does anyone remember how the Ico hammer came about?

[Chickadee]

Mom and I voted practically at the same time when Ico was L-2.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol that ain't good

[Chickadee]

That's how that went down.

VOTE: iconium



Btw I’m down and out with tonsillitis. Like, a shower took literally all of my energy. But I’m following along.

VOTE: iconeum

L-1

Snort

Whoops

Chick and I voted simultaneously, Ico got lolhammered

[profii]

ok so the reason I asked about moms thoughts on me and Von is because the obvious thing from all your perspectives is to say me vs Von is probably 50/50 scum so surely the easiest thing to do is apply pressure to both of us and see what happens

Now, I also am asking about Nero and his “right reasons to hammer” because that is dubious

However - the pork lynch was relatively fast - even for this time pressured setup, so that is not just dubious on Nero’s part, but IMO the players involved in that quick build up.

It seems like Mom has focussed on Nero as “low hanging fruit” and “missed” that Von flare was also involved in a fairly quick wagon.

Given that I’m expecting to be pressured along with Von, this seems a bit convienient

But I still wait to see Nero’s reasons for hammer. I might just be mom!paranoid there