In post 2660, Vecna wrote:I still kinda feel like the immunize on me is a waste.....cult probably already tried to recruit me, and realized it failed, so now they wanna waste our attempt by putting it on someone already immune. Not that I really care but, eeeh.
Also, if Cerb really did jail me there wont be a phaseshift from me, so u might as well push a vote through really quickly to get it over with.
To be clear, earlier int he game, I asked Dreal if voting for immunization was taking an action against a player. He said my question was oddly worded, but gave me the answer he saw best fit on what he thought I was asking. And yes, immunization counts as taking an action against a player. If Cerb jail keeps someone, we cannot immunize them. It also means cult cannot recruit them, assuming cerb gets there first.
OK, that acutally is a valid concern. If jailing really invalidates an immunization, then we are surely wasting our shot (since I believe Cerberus his jailing claim)
Since I don't exactly trust you, Chick, I took the liberty of asking drealmer the same question just now. I hope he comes online and answers soon.
Also @Cerberus: did you only jail Vecna? Or did you jail everyone? I think you said something that you can target multiple targets, or did I understand that wrong?
In post 2677, Lifthrasil wrote:OK, that acutally is a valid concern. If jailing really invalidates an immunization, then we are surely wasting our shot (since I believe Cerberus his jailing claim)
Since I don't exactly trust you, Chick, I took the liberty of asking drealmer the same question just now. I hope he comes online and answers soon.
Also @Cerberus: did you only jail Vecna? Or did you jail everyone? I think you said something that you can target multiple targets, or did I understand that wrong?
That was someone else. It would be stupid broken if cerb could jail everyone.
But Cerb claimed when that same person claimed to be able to target multiple people. It's been so long I cant remember who that was though.
But yea, let us know what Dreal says when he gets back to you. In the mean time, no more votes on Vecna until we know what's up.
Or, you know what, I could vote someone else while we wait for drealmer to answer. If Vecna is right, he is immune anyhow. So there is no hurry immunizing him. Let's take someone else from the list in the meantime.
VOTE: The Golden Paradox
TGP seems to have given up the game, true. But that doesn't tell us much about his alignment, since both sides can be quite frustrated with this game. At least his frustration at not being able to do anything in this game seemed genuine. No telling if he has been culted in the mean-time, but I would be OK with getting him off the list now and, if necessary, return to Vecna tomorrow.
OK. Drealmer answered. He said he can't answer directly if a jailing prevents immunization, but said instead that the immunization is the last action in any play phase.
I conclude two things from this:
1) if Cerberus power says that it protects the target from ALL actions, then it prevents immunization too
2) even if 'Pause' isn't announced yet, any action sent in after the 'hammer' vote will be void
In any case 1) seems to mean that Chickadee was right. Surprisingly. So I call all on the train to drop Vecna and vote someone else ASAP, so that this play phase ends soon. Because if all actions on and by Vecna are prevented we can't even count on him to make the game progress with his power.
Yes, it also means that if any immunization candidate was jailed, our list of immunizations is wrong. So we might be missing to immunize someone because the immunization didn't work - leading to an infinite game because we never reach the 'all alignments fixed' state.
So to all jailers and similar PRs: did you ever prevent an immunization (and not recruit that person afterwards, if you're scum)? That might be important to know if we don't want to be stuck in this game forever. I didn't. I could make myself and one other person untargetable for all kinds of actions until the next play phase, but I didn't use that power so far and I don't intend to use it.
Side note: I suggested the speed-up modifications to the setup to drealmer, but he didn't reply yet. Probably he is loathe to change the rules of a game while it is running. Which is entirely justified normally, but in this case it may become necessary to either modify it or to abort it.
We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
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Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
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Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
Sorry. Your choice of kill targets screamed 'scum' to me and the rest of the posts didn't do anything to change that impression. That you now warned about a caveat and stop us from doing something that would definitely have hurt town genuinely surprised me. You have no reason to play towny if you are scum in this game at this point any more. So you have successfully confused me.
Come on, guys! Vote! Even if TGP isn't in your cult, do you want this game to last eternally? If we don't get a vote through, this play-phase won't end.
We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
*******
Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
*******
Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
