Micro 789 - Alternating 9p - Mafia wins

[Iconeum]

I'm focusing on zzzx more? Have you been reading at all?
All i've done is trying to get a wagon going on Lovebird. I've been the biggest advancer of Love lynch ALL FUCKING GAME. I was opposed to an 'HEY LETS LYNCH A NO INFO NM ' all game.

Saying I don't want a love lynch is really a giant misrep.
i'm looking for other suspects. zzzzx is higly suspicious.

I Do consider all options here.

[BuJaber]

If icon is scum and love is town... why stop his wagon.. .. scared of how it looks to tunnel on town?

Man icon you are hurting my brain this game.
No I don't care you're playing really strangely. You need to go. Zz is a terrible lynch. Heck icon might be your partner and you're distancing. You made a few too many posts and now I've caught you. You shoulda kept your vote on love and not said anything lol

Pedit - looking at options? Not a good enough excuse. Not from you not when there is a wagon from love that you are pushing all game. Not when you say you don't want to do assoc analysis and yet you put zz and love together but are still considering lynching zz instead of love.
Like thinking about other options isn't scummy but the way you're doing it doesn't make sense.

[BuJaber]

Heck

icon

LOVE might be your partner and you're distancing.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Icon

I am going to give love a chance. Seems his posts are generally small and somewhat NAI in general. Not clearing him but I think an Icon flip is gonna be helpful here.

And I realized the love/korina not town together kind of assumes ico is town. If ico is scum there's a huge flaw.

Just townreading GL is scummy as all hell. Ico is also a strong townplayer who is difficult to scumread and usually doesn't let inconsistencies and scummy posts fly without scrutiny. He seems rather lazy here. Also he keeps getting cold feet around wagons. He didn't vote for NM. IN FACT he has been tunneling on icon all game and now that we have a real shot at lynching love he's focusing on zzz instead? Why?
If you notice a few posts earliet he said if love flips scum I would be conftown. So we have a wagon that all game long he has been pushing AND if it flips scum it clears another player from his POV AND he doesn't like the counter wagons (me, korina, cheeky earlier) but he still isn't happy lynching Lovebird?

Yeeeeaaah I haven't been noticing this before but this is looking like damning evidence.

Icon is scum. GL is likely his partner. If not GL it's Korina or possibly cheeky.

But it's probably GL.

Icon/GL scumteam. I was right from the very fucking start with my two scumpools.

If icon is town we lynch love. If love is also town we fucking lose because fuck this game and fuck lurkers.

Pedit - zzz is a bad lynch why is he most likely to flip scum. He is scummy but not most likely to flip scum. Other people are also scummy. And you've been changing your mind too many times with me.
Like even now you say it's probably zz/love but choosing to lynch zz. You say I could flip scum but if love is scum I am conftown. From your pov love is the best lynch..You not wanting to now is crazy.

And what evidence is there than GL is town. I can only personally clear GL by PoE depending on who flips scum. Nothing in his play is particularly townie.

How fucking hard can you misrep me here?
It was quite obvious that I'm still wanting a Lovebird lynch here. I also assume Bujaber should see this. I can't get my head around that misrep.

That means lovebird town, Bujaber scum with zzzzx in that scenario.

[Iconeum]

Heck

icon

LOVE might be your partner and you're distancing.

So being the lead vote and lead caser on Love = distancing?

Plz go home.

[Iconeum]

I'm lynching you, Bujaber, after Love flips.

It doesn't even matter if someone comes up with a guilty, I'm just gonna deathtunnel on you next day.
You better pray I get lynched or NK'd.

[BuJaber]

There is no world in which we lynch Korina over Love today.
There's a chance zzzzx is getting lynched over Love.

I really don't know anymore for the moment.
We need zzzzx and his big post in here.

Reading back my Love case isn't as strong as I thought it was.

Gonna make an overview here soon.

Alive:
1. BuJaber
2. Christopher Korina
3. ZZZX
4. GreenLiquid
5. Major Minor CheekyTeeky
6. Lovebird
7. Iconeum

Town

GL

Townlean

Bujaber
Cheeky

Scum in varying degrees

Love
zzzzzx
korina

If i look at this list, I think I'm more comfortable lynching zzzzx depending on his catchup post.


fp'd a bunch by Love

How is that not you thinking about switching to zz instead of love?
Where is the misrep?

[BuJaber]

Yeah yeah yeah whatever scum have wanted to lynch me all game. You are not getting NK'd lol you are scum's wet dream if you are town.

[Iconeum]

Being less sure about the lynch =!= not wanting to lynch

[BuJaber]

But you are considering lynching zz over love is what I'm saying. And that is super suspicious

[Iconeum]

Why? There's 2 scum. zzzx is a realistic possibility of being the second scum.
I've already extensively posted why.

If we can't get a Love lynch, I would probably settle on zzzx (and only him).
This day has been going on for a while, and we haven't even managed to get Love to L-1.

Why would I not look at other targets?

[Iconeum]

Look at the interaction between Love and zzzx

[BuJaber]

We haven't managed to get love to L-1 because people haven't posted. Nobody actually gave good enough reasons to not wamt her lynched.

Only love defended herself about the scum meta argument. And frankly she might have a point. Seems the post style is NAI. But only she would know this. The other people I would expect to give actual reasons why they don't want love dead.

Okay let me explain the other point a bit more clearly:
It's fine to consider zz scummy. Even think about his lynch. But not when you still consider love scummy.
But why, you might ask?
Because zz has not been active. He has not been talking much. He is a bad flip right now when we are approaching mylo. Zzz has too many potential scum partners in this game. Love does not. You yourself has already suggested some post-love-flip reads.
By looking at zz as a potential counter lynch without having anything actually changing your mind about love being scummy you are not playing in pro-town way.

I admit I might be getting a bit paranoid about ignoring you and GL lately when you both have pinged me in the early game. Nobody likes to be duped. So I'll promise you I'll take a break now and look at this game later. Please read what I said about you picking zz over love again.
And please explain your townread on GL.

[Iconeum]

I'm laughing so hard right now that you are accusing me of trying to derail the Lovebird lynch, when you are the one who switched votes.
These last few posts of yours are just terrible if you actually are town.

[Iconeum]

How can you even say it's fine that i'm thinking of zzzx lynch, when THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE VOTING ME

[Iconeum]

Town posts by GL:

24 calling Lovebird LAMIST post.
35 already engaging with Love. I could be biased here but I read it as town
108 good post in general. Actively trying to sort here.
110 soft defending NM
119 scumread on love.
131 is a solid case on bujaber
263 more sorting
278more sorting
443even more sorting
480, 481 pushing lovebird. By now I can assume it's definitely NOT love/GL
637 continues his sorting of all players
638 is actually a town motivated post
688

There are a LOT of posts that come off as town, and if you look at everything in order it's a very natural and townie progression in his reads.
What's scum about GL again?

[ZZZX]

shit I forgot about this game.

Will read with maximum of 48 hours to read, update and post.

-Z

[BuJaber]

How can you even say it's fine that i'm thinking of zzzx lynch, when THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE VOTING ME

It's conditional. It's fine if you also townread love. It's not fine if you are scumreading love.

The explanation was right there in the same paragraph. Why read one sentence but not the next?

[Iconeum]

shit I forgot about this game.

Will read with maximum of 48 hours to read, update and post.

-Z

Please post your 'big catchup post' that you had ready to go already, so we can work on that one for starters.

[BuJaber]

Okay since you provided the posts that make my owm case...

Most of GL's posts aren't 'sorting'. He comes up with reasons why player x is scum. Then comes up with reason why player x might not be scum or why he might be wrong.

He makes a case on NM. Then just doesn't like the wagon anymore because apprently too many people are voting him.

He attempts to sort rask, icon, cheeky, love, zz and never lands on anything conclusive or confident about them.

Literally the only person he has consistently actually built a case against and openly voted for and openly pushed for is me and I know I am town. From my pov GL has an agenda against me and he is failing to confidently push against anyone else in fear he is wrong.

He has an issue with people not being able to sort or read people but he himself has displayed trouble in doing so.
He called me out for having a lot of null reads in day 1,(When I actually made some effort to do something about it with my scum pools) but he himself has been unsure of the majority of his reads.

In more than one post that you linked his conclusion is "I find some things scummy but really it might just be their playstyle"

He has basically come off as being non commital on anything.
Again except for me. But maybe because I haven't yet actually been in danger of getting lynched. And consodering I am town scum him would happily commit to my lynch.

This one is a little tin foily but I am also beginning to suspect that scum didn't kill me just so GL would be able to continue his push against me.


Anyway look like I calculated earlier (feels like ages ago). Our worst case scenario gives us 1 mislynch. So we can definitely afford to mislynch today.

So look I am still good with a love lynch.
Icon is pinging me.
GL I'm always had a scumlean on.
Cheeky has had a significant drop in activity not to mention I have not always been comfortable she is town plus MM slot.
I can see korina being scum but really it seems contingent on love flipping town so not gonna lynch there.

So love and Ico are my top picks for lynch. Either/or at this point.
Followed by GL.
Followed by cheeky. But I don't think she is the best flip for associations right now. So this would be sub optimal.

The rest I don't think are good lynches today.

[Iconeum]

If this is a TvT i'm gonna cry.

[BuJaber]

Why do you think lurking is so good for scum?

Even if a townie lurks it fucks with town's ability to sort properly.

When you have a game with only 2-3 people active at any given moment town are just screwed.
Naturally people who are active tend to become the only suspects and that's how town implodes or becomes confused.

I feel like I used the f word too much this game. But the game really is frustrating.
All I can say is if you are town just rely on your instincts. Even if things don't make that much sense to you trust your gut and your earlier reads.

The early reads were not tainted by as much confusion as the later reads.

You are probably easier to sort than love if you are kept alive tbh.
Let's lynch love and move on from there.

I promise you if I am alive I won't let zz get away with the lurking. Neither him nor cheeky.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: love

[Iconeum]

Wise words i can agree with. A love flip should solve most of our dispute here.

[Korina]

Ok, what do you guys wanna hear from me?
I'm currently really hyped up on coffee rn.