Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[StefanB]

Cheet: Hm, good question.
I am at the moment just a bit frusted why the waggon locks so damm town.
You have a waggon on town, with a not great case and people just following and there should be scum here.
I hopped I would find that bullet that I can use to get them.

[StefanB]

I should perhaps waited until the waggon grew larger and than try to find scum on it.
Perhaps the would have been easier.

[GreyICE]

@Hoopla: You should sheep whatever we decide. Not lynching you is the only positive EV you have with the way you play day 1s. I think you're town because of voodoo, but even that's a weak read, and Stefan complaining why he's being wagoned while you get a pass is scumplaining, but also you look like an easy target because you are playing like an easy target.

I probably will once things get serious and the new realistic lynch choices become more clear. At the moment it feels like we're still waiting for the dust to settle from the Flavor wagon dissipating.

Hoopla, when did Flavor vanish from this list?

I agreed with the logic that the way Flavor's wagon stalled out with no counterwagons, it was likely he was town. Given I only ever had him at neutral-ish when I wanted to lynch him, this was enough to tip things in his favour.

Walk me through this one then. Flavor's wagon stalled out, and that makes him town. So why did the wagon stall? Was:

A) Three scum on the wagon and the town wasn't buying it?
B) Two scum already on the wagon, and a third didn't want to all dogpile?
C) Only one scum on the wagon, and the others were avoiding it?
D) No scum on the wagon, and they decided to hard defend flavor leaf?

With some inactive players, could you conclude that lack of a counterwagon would be lack of Flavor providing any worthwhile counterwagon? Is it possible scum-Flavor was bussed by his buddies? My observation is that scum tend to find other scum scummy, and mucking up a fakeclaim is as scummy as it gets besides.

I'd like you to expound on the logic here.

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

[GreyICE]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

Are you okay with the fact that Hoopla is Implosion's second pick for a lynch target too?

[StefanB]

Grey wrote:

My observation is that scum tend to find other scum scummy, and mucking up a fakeclaim is as scummy as it gets besides.

My theory is that everythink before the VT claim was joking around. The two claim were clearly deliberate, an exident here would mean a very incompetent player, that is nearly imposible. Klick of The Dresden Files mafia perhaps.

Just practising for postwaggon, working together with Grey.

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

Are you okay with the fact that Hoopla is Implosion's second pick for a lynch target too?

considering prior behavior, yes.

[GreyICE]

Okay, part 1 done. I'll have to wait a bit for part 2, but this will someday be relevant.

[GreyICE]

For reference you can ignore the above. It's only there because I'll make an explanation later, and people will say "GreyICE you're making shit up, there's no way you could have known any of that".

Well you can say that anyway, but w/e

[UC Voyager]

Votecount 1.7

StefanB(4)

~ GreyIce(56), Cheetory6(61), MagnaOfIllusion(36), implosion(53)

implosion(2)

~ Hiraki(26), Prism(17)

Hoopla(2)

~ Flavor Leaf(76), StefanB(45)

Prism(1)

~ Erika Furudo(50)

MagnaOfIllusion(1)

~ CultOfAthena(23)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ Saudade(75)

Erika Furudo(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(81)

CultOfAthena(1)

~ Hoopla(35)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-18 00:26:59)

[StefanB]

For reference you can ignore the above. It's only there because I'll make an explanation later, and people will say "GreyICE you're making shit up, there's no way you could have known any of that".

Well you can say that anyway, but w/e

Lets make a deal, can I see your notes, when we meet in DT, or post game? I will have somethink to trade, (no great inside, but I hope somethink worth a chuckle)

[Flavor Leaf]

Can't believe Flavor isnt getting lynched today, sigh

I am obvtown

[Flavor Leaf]

The players on the Stefan wagon are strong enough players that they should be seeing that stefan is town.

I think GreyIce is just playing incredibly suboptimal.

At least one of Cheetory/Implosion likely are scum, and the other got pocketed by the other.

And MOI is just MOI. I’m currently town reading here, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess GreyIce playing suboptimal could just mean he’s scum, but I just think he’s town playing suboptimal atm.

[Cheetory6]

at least one of flavor leaf and moi must be scum because flavor leaf is calling moi town and that means that moi must be either scum or town and flavor must be either town or scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Hoopla isn’t getting more attention shows Stefan is town. If Stefan were scum, this Hoopla wagon would be taking off more due to scum buddies, but it shows that scum is okay with Stefan being lynched.

[Flavor Leaf]

at least one of flavor leaf and moi must be scum because flavor leaf is calling moi town and that means that moi must be either scum or town and flavor must be either town or scum.

These would be the options, yes.

[Cheetory6]

basically as rigorous of reasoning as just calling one of implosion and i scum because we think each other are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually do like Grey analyzing the Flavor wagon, though. Big reason i’m Town reading there and thinking his pushes are just suboptimal rather than scum.

To be fair, his company on the wagon might have a good amount to do with it. They’re very sheepable people.

[Cheetory6]

this is also one of those times that it would be great if stefan could be scum and flavor could be town so i can get to be incredibly indignant at the high and mighty attitude postgame.
i guess i at least get to do that postgame with the read on me if flavor is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

basically as rigorous of reasoning as just calling one of implosion and i scum because we think each other are town.

More from wagon composition and scum pushes. Your interactions with each other don’t really affect my reads too much. I’m pretty sure I’ve talked about this...

[Cheetory6]

ah yes wagon composition the tried and true best tool in a scumhunter's arsenal.

[Flavor Leaf]

this is also one of those times that it would be great if stefan could be scum and flavor could be town so i can get to be incredibly indignant at the high and mighty attitude postgame.
i guess i at least get to do that postgame with the read on me if flavor is town.

I’m not against the idea of you being town. It’s why I’m not voting you. I could see you being town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Cheet - what’s your read on MOI?

[Flavor Leaf]

Other than him being either town or scum.