Touhou UCanPick 5 - [Game Over]

[Sky_Paladin]

Because it gives the impression that you didn't really want to lynch Text, but you settled for it because you couldn't get your preferred lynch of Gaiden.

You hadn't really been driving a lynch of Gaiden at any point and had just voted there almost randomly, however through your game you had highlighted several issues with TG. So you falling back to TG as your preferred lynch is natural but it bothers me because the way you said it was quite weak. You doubled down on your vote later on in 1088 which restored my faith a bit. However, it's just that consolidate to TG (at the time, only Sky and Kiana were voting there) didn't seem like you really believed in scum!TG. I'm struggling to actually pin down what bothers me and I think that it's the fact you revoted and provided a new reason, like you had forgotten all the other things you had posted before.

It's kind of a disconnect and that is what I'm uncomfortable with.

[Sky_Paladin]

Eliburn ISO:

Starts off with super valid vote on Purr as early as 23 and disagreement with Eddie in 66 that all looks good imo. Asks questions back rather than just satisfies others, continues to drill into Purr. Probably comes from town Eli.

Unvotes in 231 because not sure if Purr/Kat are srs. Actually I can kind of get behind this post as it came a couple of days later in RL and shows that Eli has mellowed a bit and is starting to question his own reads.

252 is an odd post directed at Brian.

Is being apologetic generally a townie thing to you?

I don't really know why but this post pings me.

262 argument with Eddie followed by a vote. Mainly pertinent because in this post that Eli quoted, Eddie had listed Brian/HS as his top scum picks, followed by Text Gen oops then me.
Pertinent why - did Eddie ever become a credible counter-wagon to Brian? Arguable - here's the tally.

Eddie Cane [2]

-

Text Generator

, Elbirn

Text Generator [1]

- hebichan

Brian Skies [2]

- Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet

Human Sequencer [3]

-

Dunnstral, Eddie Cane

, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] -

Human Sequencer,

DaLetterEl

Not Voting [4] - SXTLHGaiden, Kiana Kaslana,

Brian Skies

, Lexa

Almost immediately after this tally (about two pages later) is when the Brian Skies wagon takes off. Elibirn never gets on the wagon and stays on Eddie, who flips green.

Start of day 2 I check how to spell the name - it's Elbirn! All this time I thought it was Eli. My apologies.

Also checks in with 459 and says Katy's vig is useless if scum can just self hammer. Like they did in the previous phase.
IMO this is not true; and it is also factually not true re: HS.

I can abide by this from the position that Katy's role was not explicitly town with her L-1 constraint; it became town when she used it to put HS out of his misery as she could always have pushed the angle of "Let's put a few more players at L-1" in order to have a credible alternate target. But Elbirn could not have known this at the start of day 2.

Votes for Hebichan in 517 for changing their read on Eddie, which is a good catch. Probs town Elb.

I realised this is becoming a wall and I promised myself I was not going to try hard this game.

So I'll ezymode the rest.

828 calls out HS for his role claim being awkward. Probs town Elb.

This is a thing though:

Actually waif why are we lynching TG and not Hebi who is my counter claim?

Sky I found it funny that you said you forgot who I am because I swear to high hell you're not a player in this game

We have nearly the same number of posts :<

I think I'm gonna card smash people who don't claim.

Vote Sky_Paladin

???

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Townpiling Elbirn for now but I'm conflicted. My gut says this is a scum slot. But there's nothing in the posts that actually looks scummy and conversely there are a lot of towny posts.

Welp Hebi and Purr are up next.

[Sky_Paladin]

So let's see. Hebi is one of the few players who is not dead and yet has less posts than me.

Early activity was called out by Elbirn for changing read on Eddie, yadda yadda.

Mainly I'm annoyed that the card was used on Gaiden instead of Purr who has a lot of posts and interactions that would be useful to go back and read if they flipped later, and also because Hebi posted this in 569;

I think purr is scum pretty likely at this point, and I am about to make a post to case that.

Case is in 574 as:

I think purr is pushing the most active person off the wagon is a bit weird...

I feel like human sequencer could be one of those townies who just tends to fencesit, and his breaking under pressure doesn't feel like scum so much as frustrated town.

Purr on the other hand seemed to have waited until there was a bit of momentum on HS and just sort of trolled and didn't provide content until then, and reads lists can be easily faked, even if its one that on its own is pretty decent. I just feel like the posts around

VOTE: purr

I also think there's at least one scum on the brian wagon and brian self voted to push them through town scrutiny.

Didn't help lynch Brian. Complains of feeling lost/not contributing a lot. Strange to put a lampshade on it. I straight up admitted I was not trying hard and that I'd been not following the game properly (as evidenced by me thinking Gaiden had voted for example). I don't like it. Day 2 switches to HS, claims, switches to TG in 1055 because:

I liked it before and I like it now.

Hmm. While Hebi did vote TG in RVS, I'm not sure I remember an actual scumread on TG from Hebi at any point. Let me check.

Last mention of Text Gen was in 569 as:

Kat, And Text generator are probably town at this point.

One of these things is not like the other. Probably scum!Hebi here.

And here we are today with a vote on me because ??? oh well.

I think Purr shooting Hebi would be fantastic because:
Hebi flips green = Gaiden is town.
Hebi flips red - Purr probably town.
If not game over: Sky protects Katy.
Next day phase: Vigs away.

I think Kiana had something she wanted to do with her card though.

Well lemme go check Purr and then decide if I want to put a vote down somewhere.

[Sky_Paladin]

VOTE: Hebi

I think this is the right move. I just recalled that Hebi asked for who they should check and was given Gaiden or Purr as options, when they really should have checked Purr because Purr was one of Hebi's reads.

Also the reversal on Text Gen seems bad.

[Sky_Paladin]

Well that's two and a half hours of mafia, time to take break before I tackle the cat's posts.

[Sky_Paladin]

Napkin math do not read this as an absolute plan to action, it's a 'hypothetically, ...'

Purr shoots Hebi. If Hebi = red -> town lynches Purr - max 4 scum, town win. Because Hebi refusing to check Purr is probably scum!Purr if Hebi is scum.
Else, town lynches DaLetterEl.

If not game over; night phase Sky protects Katy. Mafia probably nightkills Kiana, Sky, or now town-confirmed Gaiden.

Remaining player pool is reduced to Katy, Purr/Gamma/El/Lex, and one of Kiana, Sky or Gaiden. Gamma vigs Sky and (Purr or El), and if the game isn't over, town lynches whichever of Purr or El is still around.

Following night, scum kills one of (Kiana/Katy). Following day (LYLO) has (Kiana or Katy), Gamma, and Lexa, with all three as town reads, and one of Kiana/Katy remaining as locktown. So I don't think we will reach that point; I think it will be game over all scum dead either this day phase or the following day phase.

[FakeGod]

Kiana Kaslana has asked for replacement.

[Katyusha]

well i depression spiraled and we're waiting on 2 replacements

thats nice

i'll catch up and be useful tomorrow, sorry about that guys

[FakeGod]

Titus replaces Kiana Kaslana.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.4

SXTLHGaiden [0] -
Sky_Paladin [2] - Elbirn, hebichan
Titus [0] -
Katyusha [0] -
Lexa [0] -
DaLetterEl [2] - Lexa, Purrcocet
Elbirn [0] -
hebichan [1] - Sky_Paladin
Purrcocet [0] -
Gamma Emerald [0] -

Not Voting [5]

- SXTLHGaiden, Titus, Katyusha, DaLetterEl, Gamma Emerald

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-04-13 15:00:00)

Timer will freeze at 48 hrs to deadline until replacement is found.

[Sky_Paladin]

What about a replacement for DaLetterEl?

[FakeGod]

Still looking. >_<

[hebichan]

No worry kat, same thing happened to me. I also lost most interest when two scum were found without me.

[Gamma Emerald]

that's weird as fuck, normally you replace in the order they come up

[Titus]

Eddie Cane [2] - Text Generator, Elbirn
Text Generator [1] - hebichan
Brian Skies [2] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet
Human Sequencer [3] - Dunnstral, Eddie Cane, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] - Human Sequencer, DaLetterEl

Based solely on this VC, I'd look at lynching Elbrin or DaLetterL.

Can you explain why Gaiden is conftown?

[FakeGod]

that's weird as fuck, normally you replace in the order they come up

Kiana recommended Titus when she left, so I said sure.

NicoRobin replaces DaLetterEl.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.5

SXTLHGaiden [0] -
Sky_Paladin [2] - Elbirn, hebichan
Titus [0] -
Katyusha [0] -
Lexa [0] -
NicoRobin [2] - Lexa, Purrcocet
Elbirn [0] -
hebichan [1] - Sky_Paladin
Purrcocet [0] -
Gamma Emerald [0] -

Not Voting [5]

- SXTLHGaiden, Titus, Katyusha, NicoRobin, Gamma Emerald

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-04-14 09:00:00)

[SXTLHGaiden]

Eddie Cane [2] - Text Generator, Elbirn
Text Generator [1] - hebichan
Brian Skies [2] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet
Human Sequencer [3] - Dunnstral, Eddie Cane, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] - Human Sequencer, DaLetterEl

Based solely on this VC, I'd look at lynching Elbrin or DaLetterL.

Can you explain why Gaiden is conftown?

cause everything i do screams conftown.
also, was copped by hebi.

[Lexa]

Eddie Cane [2] - Text Generator, Elbirn
Text Generator [1] - hebichan
Brian Skies [2] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet
Human Sequencer [3] - Dunnstral, Eddie Cane, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] - Human Sequencer, DaLetterEl

Based solely on this VC, I'd look at lynching Elbrin or DaLetterL.

Can you explain why Gaiden is conftown?

I don't necessarily agree but iirc he has a soft clear from hebi's result who herself is not confirmed town

[Lexa]

Also hi Titus no deception this time

[Sky_Paladin]

Gaiden is only confirmed town in the scenario where Hebi (who has a cop result on Gaiden as town) flips green. In the scenario I wrote below it's assuming Purr shoots Hebi this phase (or we lynch Hebi) to get a town confirmed Gaiden, who scum are now obliged to kill before LYLO.

Bolded for emphasis;

Purr shoots Hebi. If Hebi = red -> town lynches Purr - max 4 scum, town win. Because Hebi refusing to check Purr is probably scum!Purr if Hebi is scum.
Else, town lynches DaLetterEl.

If not game over; night phase Sky protects Katy. Mafia probably nightkills Kiana, Sky, or

now

town-confirmed Gaiden.

[Titus]

Eddie Cane [2] - Text Generator, Elbirn
Text Generator [1] - hebichan
Brian Skies [2] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet
Human Sequencer [3] - Dunnstral, Eddie Cane, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] - Human Sequencer, DaLetterEl

Based solely on this VC, I'd look at lynching Elbrin or DaLetterL.

Can you explain why Gaiden is conftown?

I don't necessarily agree but iirc he has a soft clear from hebi's result who herself is not confirmed town

Ok then Gaiden is definitely a suboptimal lynch, barring Godfathers which feels unlikely.

[Titus]

Also hi Titus no deception this time

Nice to see you again. Your team was pretty good but if Garmr hadn't imploded we win that.

[NicoRobin]

Jaime Lannister sends his regards.

[Purrcocet]

i'm not shooting hebi, she's probably town.