Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Flavor Leaf]

cute that you picked Hoopla

It’s the correct lynch. I’m a little timid about it considering both Cheetory and Implosion went on it, but the Grey posting’s made me more secure. Especially since the others on me are Gamma and Saudade.


As of this moment, I’m guessing Grey/Hoopla/Gamma.

I don’t expect that to be correct, but if I get that right, imma still take credit for it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So as much fun as reading this exchange between Grey and Flavor has been (hint .. it hasn’t) at least we got some Grey yelling out of the exchange so that’s a plus.

I will say that my “Flavor is Town via Vote-Count” did not consider a possibility that Flavor-scum either has daytalk and was assuring his teammates that he’s get off fine or that his partners know him well enough to understand how hard he is to lynch (supposedly since I haven’t ever had reason to try in our limited exposure to each other). So that Town clear is no longer strong in my mind.

Flavor

– frankly I don’t care how often you toot your own horn about yourself. I want some reasoning behind your Hoopla as scum stance before I can post again. Yeah, totally don’t care if it isn’t how you play.

Saud continues to active lurk and I wish I wish I was a Vig this game because then I could solve that problem overnight single-handedly. I mean look at 633. You would think a Town player would springboard off that to say “Hmmm .. what scum buddies saved my scum read Flavor”. But nope … he just whines.

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I actually think MOI might have a point here and find it strange he isn't pushing it more

It’s really hard to push a slot that really doesn’t currently exist in the game-state Gamma. I mean I can talk about my thoughts over and over but there is no response to help others get on board with my read currently. Hiraki’s post right after this explains why it is a fools errand until a body gets in that slot.

That’s what she said

….

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If we have a lye awasome.
But I will try to find out what Grey is refering, too, tomorrow, good night.

This statement is why my vote is staying where it is BTW (well, on top of all the “who is scum on my wagon … they all look so Town … maybe I should have keep my sneaky trap primed and caught scum piling on me … oh well” posting).

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My current reads are that this day needs to end and I'm fine with both of the leading wagons.

Unvote

Vote: Hoopla

Oh look that non-existent counter-wagon just picked up a lurker out of nowhere ...

[Gamma Emerald]

cute that you picked Hoopla

It’s the correct lynch. I’m a little timid about it considering both Cheetory and Implosion went on it, but the Grey posting’s made me more secure. Especially since the others on me are Gamma and Saudade.


As of this moment, I’m guessing Grey/Hoopla/Gamma.

I don’t expect that to be correct, but if I get that right, imma still take credit for it.

hahaha rip u and your political reads

[GreyICE]

Hoopla(4) ~ Flavor Leaf(110), StefanB(52), Cheetory6(75) {Cult of Athena}
Flavor Leaf(3) ~ Saudade(79), GreyIce(76), Gamma Emerald(83)
StefanB(2) ~ MagnaOfIllusion(36), implosion(55)

Well the Hoopla wagon is developing the fine odor of a rotted corpse. I don't think there's a person in the game except maybe Flavor Leaf who'd be willing to back that being 4 townies. Or even 3.

MOI, I'll call temporary truce or whatever to unify on one of these two (unless you want to try to sell me on Implosion again... not feeling it honestly).

[Flavor Leaf]

Quit chainsawing.

[GreyICE]

Hey, could you explain your Hoopla read?

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, could you explain your Hoopla read?

Wagon composition

[Hoopla]

Walk me through this one then. Flavor's wagon stalled out, and that makes him town. So why did the wagon stall? Was:

A) Three scum on the wagon and the town wasn't buying it?
B) Two scum already on the wagon, and a third didn't want to all dogpile?
C) Only one scum on the wagon, and the others were avoiding it?
D) No scum on the wagon, and they decided to hard defend flavor leaf?

With some inactive players, could you conclude that lack of a counterwagon would be lack of Flavor providing any worthwhile counterwagon? Is it possible scum-Flavor was bussed by his buddies? My observation is that scum tend to find other scum scummy, and mucking up a fakeclaim is as scummy as it gets besides.

I'd like you to expound on the logic here.

I suppose C seemed the most likely to me -- though, I guess I don't really care that much about that opinion to defend it, and am back on board with a policy lynch on Flavor Leaf since the alternatives seem to be Stefan, implosion or me. Flavor is the best pick of all those imo.

Good hustle from Grey in recent pages, and so I don't have to read and analyse it all, I'm just gonna sheep him for now -- I actually haven't got too many pangs of worry from Grey so far re: his alignment, which is unusual. I am chalking it up to me being rusty and not getting what the kids are up to these days. Regardless, this day has gone on far too long and I'm annoyed at how predictably this is all playing out. All we need now to complete the bingo card is for everyone to twiddle their thumbs til 48 hours to go, run someone else up, have them claim something obvtown, then flashwagon someone else in a blind panic (preferably without a claim).

Also, I'd like to extend a hearty congratulations to CultofAthena for lurking her way through the last 10-15 pages and dodging a wagon potentially manifesting on her had she spoken. A fine project for the town to undertake D2. It's good to have things to look forward to.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol

[GreyICE]

Okay, you know what, fuck it. I've taken a break, I've cooled off. And the more I look at it, the more this looks like a classic GreyICE mislynch target.

- Irritating player.
- Playing mechanically poorly
- Fakeclaim shenanigans
- Boom, trap card
- "FUCK YOU I DON'T GIVE A SHIT"
- "Cases are for people who give fucks, instead here's a magnifying glass so you can view my erect penis in all its glory"
- "I'm just going to make shit up because you annoy me!"

Uh, sometimes this does flip scum, I don't want to undersell it. But man, people like cult showing up to just say "either wagon works" scares me.

Vote: StefanB

I'll try to be the bigger person. This was my actual good read, and fuck it.

Although if anyone wants to flash wagon CultofAthena at this point, well, you say the word and I will join that shit so fast you don't even understand what I mean. That vote and that ISO are a lot scarier than I was giving it credit for.

[GreyICE]

I unironically think we should have lynched Flavor Leaf then, because I know the alternative will end up being a gruelling 50 page Day 1 with a deadline flashwagon.

Look, we could even prove Hoopla right with a random cult flashwagon.

Then if he flips scum she can blame it on "luck"

[GreyICE]

Gosh like... This is why I missed Fate. Once I town read him, he was a rock I could set my sails by. I mean yes, sometimes that was telling him he was full of shit, but he was kind of a lighthouse, y'know? A beacon illuminating the game.

MOI usually is that for me, but either the lighthouse is weak or the fog is unusually thick.

[Hoopla]

Although if anyone wants to flash wagon CultofAthena at this point, well, you say the word and I will join that shit so fast you don't even understand what I mean. That vote and that ISO are a lot scarier than I was giving it credit for.

I would switch to that if it became a thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, were you heated up?

I thought it was pretty tame and we were like laughing with it, like the “HAHAHAfuckoff,you scum dude, but nice try” kind of way

[Flavor Leaf]

CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought we had decent conversation.

[GreyICE]

Okay, fuck it. If I were to write a textbook on lurker scum it'd probably look like this. At least Stefan is trying, and I respect that.

Vote: CultofAthena

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, you know what, fuck it. I've taken a break, I've cooled off. And the more I look at it, the more this looks like a classic GreyICE mislynch target.

- Irritating player.
- Playing mechanically poorly
- Fakeclaim shenanigans
- Boom, trap card
- "FUCK YOU I DON'T GIVE A SHIT"
- "Cases are for people who give fucks, instead here's a magnifying glass so you can view my erect penis in all its glory"
- "I'm just going to make shit up because you annoy me!"

Uh, sometimes this does flip scum, I don't want to undersell it. But man, people like cult showing up to just say "either wagon works" scares me.

Vote: StefanB

I'll try to be the bigger person. This was my actual good read, and fuck it.

Although if anyone wants to flash wagon CultofAthena at this point, well, you say the word and I will join that shit so fast you don't even understand what I mean. That vote and that ISO are a lot scarier than I was giving it credit for.

I could go for COA

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: CultOfAthena
I feel like this vote is good

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CultofAthena

looks like we're doing this

[StefanB]

Grey: Nope not so fast, you first explain the smoking gun you seem to have on Flavor.
I have read it again, awake and still don't understand what the lie was.
As some who was burned by not following this one through but also seen this two often used between two townies (sometimes guilty of it myself) I want to understand it.
To make it clear the vote is fine.

[GreyICE]

I quoted it like 4 times. He said he had explained the Hoopla vote. He hadn't. To date, the entire explanation appears to be "wagon composition".
Now mind telling me why my vote on Flavor is good, but you need to challenge me, and have no comment about cult? Because gosh, that's a good feeling.

[StefanB]

I didn't mean your vote on Flavor was good, I meaned your vote on Cult, sorry for the confusion.
And yeah I hoped you had a more specific lie, for me the reason got lost a bit between the shouting.

[GreyICE]

Hey quick quiz, don't check ISO. Who are you voting for?

[StefanB]

Hoopla since I made that case on her.