Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

GreyICE · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:46 pm

Follow up: you like questions. What questions have you asked Hoopla, to develop such a strong read?

StefanB · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:07 pm

I devoleped the read based on her ISO.
It is a read what is there and what isn't.
I isn't correct that I never asked any question re Hoopla

is there any towniepost from her in the whole game?

You are right, that I could have asked questions directly to her.
Okay in this special case that looks utteratly redicules, but okay, she could have got this from my post, with a bit work.

Hoopla, can you point me to any scumhunting you have done this game?
Hoopla you posted that towns suck and we should lynch semi-random on day 1. Why?
Can you give us any proof that town tends to lynch someone without a claim regulary because that sounds totally ridiculous.
Can you give me any reason that you posted this that isn't antitown?

Okay those sound utterly redicolous even for me.

Hoopla, have you got any good reads this game, that are strong?
Any real scumread?
You stated that you are okay with anyone execpt a small group, do you really think that will make the game easier, going into the later days?

Yeah, perhaps those are better.
On the other hand, those questions are kind of obvious.
If you have a case you are not allways asking questions, you make it, and hope people react.

Hoopla · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 pm

In post 776, StefanB wrote: Hoopla, can you point me to any scumhunting you have done this game?

I've done little to no meaningful scumhunting. In my eyes everyone's odds of being scum atm is falling within the range of ~22%-28%.

In post 776, StefanB wrote: Hoopla you posted that towns suck and we should lynch semi-random on day 1. Why?

No matter how long D1 goes, the lynch will almost always be semi-random. I advocate for towns to get on with things on D1 instead of having 30+ page D1's because it kills half the playerlist's enthusiasm for the game, makes it harder for replacements, has about the same odds of hitting scum and is just generally boring. Going into D2 you get a couple of flips and roleclaims to work with and less players to analyse coupled with less players talking. It's way easier. And it's even easier when D1 is readable for everyone.

In post 776, StefanB wrote: Can you give us any proof that town tends to lynch someone without a claim regulary because that sounds totally ridiculous.

My mini normal stats are on another computer not accessible right now, so you're just going to have to take my word on that one. All I have with me are the last 12 games I checked. Games with lynches on unclaimed players in blue:

Spoiler: recent D1 claims

In post 776, StefanB wrote: Hoopla, have you got any good reads this game, that are strong?
Any real scumread?

No, not really. As I've said in another post, I'd rather lynch people on D1 for different reasons. For example, one reason I'm not voting you over others, is that you seem very readable and will probably make your alignment obvious one way or another later in the game. I doubt the same will be true for Flavor Leaf.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:57 am

VOTE: Cult

Cheetory6 · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:58 am

implosion/saudade we need you on this wagon so all of flavor's scumreads can be on it at once

StefanB · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:32 am

VOTE: Cult
Na it's more fun to have me here to mess with Grey.

But seriously, Hoopla does seem to believe what she writes, I disagree strongly.
But that got some answers: Point for Grey.
On the other hand Cult is a good waggon, even if I can't find any good questions here.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:15 am

In post 779, Cheetory6 wrote:implosion/saudade we need you on this wagon so all of flavor's scumreads can be on it at once

VOTE: Cult

:shrug:

GreyICE · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:24 am

1964 - VT claim, 2-shot BP claim, lynch on an unclaimed mafioso
1961 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1954 - Neighbouriser claim, lynch on town neighbouriser
1952 - VT claim, lynch on VT
1951 - Non-Consecutive Night JK claims, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1948 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed 2-shot Friendly Neighbour (lol)
1946 - Miller claim, VT claim, lynch on VT
1943 - Watcher claim, 1-shot Dayvig softclaim, lynch on Mafia Watcher
1940 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1938 - Doctor fakeclaim (actually a VT lol), lynch on an unclaimed VT
1934 - Vig claim, Jailkeeper softclaim, Unspecified "Town PR" claim, town run out of time for a lynch (lol)
1931 - VT claim, lynch on VT

This is fucking horrifying, and a good indication this queue should have some basic housecleaning.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:24 am

Hey Cults at L-1 in like 12 hours.

So instead of LoL hammering I’m going to give him a chance to claim.

Clock is ticking Cult ...

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:52 am

In post 782, GreyICE wrote:
1964 - VT claim, 2-shot BP claim, lynch on an unclaimed mafioso
1961 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1954 - Neighbouriser claim, lynch on town neighbouriser
1952 - VT claim, lynch on VT
1951 - Non-Consecutive Night JK claims, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1948 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed 2-shot Friendly Neighbour (lol)
1946 - Miller claim, VT claim, lynch on VT
1943 - Watcher claim, 1-shot Dayvig softclaim, lynch on Mafia Watcher
1940 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1938 - Doctor fakeclaim (actually a VT lol), lynch on an unclaimed VT
1934 - Vig claim, Jailkeeper softclaim, Unspecified "Town PR" claim, town run out of time for a lynch (lol)
1931 - VT claim, lynch on VT
This is fucking horrifying, and a good indication this queue should have some basic housecleaning.

I’ve abused this pretty hard as scum.

StefanB · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:24 am

And I think MoI is one of the few players who could survive a Lol-hammer without trouble.
If you are town don't hammer, scum feal free to do so...

GreyICE · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:41 am

God there's about a 0% chance Stefan is town.

StefanB · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:45 am

Grey: You suck at math.

GreyICE · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:47 am

Fine, -5% chance. There you go, happy now?

Cheetory6 · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:49 am

In post 781, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Cult

:shrug:

lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

StefanB · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:52 am

In post 788, GreyICE wrote:Fine, -5% chance. There you go, happy now?

I predict we will have a lot of fun together, for a lot of days...

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:01 am

there is a 10/13 chance stefan is town

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:08 am

In post 789, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 781, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Cult

:shrug:
lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

This is actually a great question that Flavor should, you know, answer.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:09 am

In post 789, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 781, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Cult

:shrug:
lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.

This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:10 am

In post 764, Flavor Leaf wrote:CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

implosion · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 am

i'm tempted to just hammer. I'm so bored with this day. I just want a flip. I don't think cult flips scum though.

GreyICE · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:52 am

Please don't add to the list of stupid shit derp hammers that Hoopla made.

StefanB · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:54 am

100% agreement with Grey.
At last we could prove Hoopla wrong on that for this game.

GreyICE · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:54 am

Like I used to advocate "hammer without claim!" back when site meta was to be held hostage to every two-bit scumbag that claim stalled - back when it was possible for people to just claim stall until the wagon fell apart, then say "now I don't have to claim!"

Today it seems like the basics like "maybe if we hammer a friendly neighbor we are in fact morons" need to be remembered.

Also I'm sad to find myself agreeing with Hoopla more than I'd like to.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:58 am

In post 789, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 781, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Cult

:shrug:
lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

Because I accept that this is Day 1 and I could be wrong, so if I look at the game from another side, I at least can understand suspicion on Cult.