Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Sando]

Not-lynch - Duckling, quick, Fumu, Sando, Oxy

Would lynch - Pintu, Spartan, Alonzo, Ico, CJ, N_M, Korina

Unsure - mutant

[Oxy]

Yay fellow FF fans! You all get bonus townlean points

Kidding aside,

@Oxy

is duckling still null to you? So far I think he's pretty helpful for town.

Yeah, still null. Could you point me to the posts that make you think he's town?

@sando same question to you. =)

[Sando]

@sando same question to you. =)

Wait who what now? What's the question?

[Oxy]

It was in the quote... Could you point me to the posts that make you think [duckling] is town?

[the worst]

my ISO

[the worst]

Did you prefer the FFI or FFIX ref Ceejay? V important

[Sando]

It was in the quote... Could you point me to the posts that make you think [duckling] is town?

It's mostly the strength of his town-reads, and he's taken controversial positions that even if I don't agree with I like the forcefulness of his anti-groupthink. His views are well thought out and expressed, combined with a laissez faire attitude it strikes me as town. He's not locktown to me yet but he's done more than enough to make my D1 non-lynch list.

[Oxy]

@sando Thanks for that answer! Could you please point me to the posts that express these things for you? [post] tags are fine, I don't mind clicking.

[the worst]

Oxy I'm concerned you stated a nullread on me yet keep quizzing people on me while ignoring your other nullreads.

I believe you have a read on me. Your readslist was shonky and I do not believe it stated how you actually feel about players. cough up buddy

[Sando]

114 is probably the first strong townread of the game.

165 is a strong push against a quick wagon who had one of his townreads already on it, this is what I'm getting at with anti-groupthink

His clarity and laissez faire attitude don't really have any specific post, it's more of a trend than any particular post.

I'm gonna leave it there, Oxy what are you trying to gain through this interaction?

[Oxy]

the worst, asking them for the posts that make you look town is an exercise to both to help me sort you, and to continue building my reads on them. The game is long, and I'll get to different slots as I get to them.

I'm concerned that your biggest concern seems to be my read on you.

[Oxy]

114 is probably the first strong townread of the game.

165 is a strong push against a quick wagon who had one of his townreads already on it, this is what I'm getting at with anti-groupthink

His clarity and laissez faire attitude don't really have any specific post, it's more of a trend than any particular post.

I'm gonna leave it there, Oxy what are you trying to gain through this interaction?

Answered this already above.

So you're town reading him for giving a town read without explanation in a confident fashion?

[Oxy]

I don't mean to imply that is the only reason you are town reading him

I'm asking why you consider that particular thing townie

[the worst]

the worst, asking them for the posts that make you look town is an exercise to both to help me sort you, and to continue building my reads on them. The game is long, and I'll get to different slots as I get to them.

I'm concerned that your biggest concern seems to be my read on you.

Yo talk to me

This game has been quiet, you and I have posted a lot. I'm also pretty introverted so get very strong feelings based on how players interact with me.

Give me a strong read and justify it with textual evidence. :3

Your read list was bad for a few reasons which I'll go into shortly~

[Quick]

I'll give you my nulls:

NM (but would def PL)
the worst
Sando
Fumuki
Oxy
Spartan
Korina (read pending)

[the worst]

Is that in any particular order?

[the worst]

I'm concerned that your biggest concern seems to be my read on you.

This is starting to ping me.

Why do you think this is a concern and not a topic?

[Sando]

So you're town reading him for giving a town read without explanation in a confident fashion?

No I'm saying a confident town-read early in the game is anti-scum. Scum don't want to clear people, and they don't want to put a spotlight on their scumpartners, the easiest and simplest way to do this is to say little of note about them. One of the hardest and probably most dangerous for scum ways to do this is to give confident townreads.

asking them for the posts that make you look town is an exercise to both to help me sort you, and to continue building my reads on them.

Got any conclusions there or are we just gonna keep playing the questions game and pretend you're contributing content?

[Oxy]

Quick Oxy is scum before poignantchips here imo, want to vote him with me?

No, I think I'm probably going to bed soon. Maybe tomorrow. =)

Reading through Duckling Iso, I realize I misread this, lol. I thought you wanted me to vote Quick, and not the reverse.

[Oxy]

Got any conclusions there or are we just gonna keep playing the questions game and pretend you're contributing content?

I'm sorry. It's difficult to build conclusions from questions until people answer them.
So far I've concluded that this portion of your read doesn't seem valid.

I'm surprised at your reaction to my questions since you are town reading the duckling and he's been giving a master class in questions without content. It does not seem consistent. Don't misconstrue this as me suggesting that asking questions is scummy. This behavior is NAI, imo.

[the worst]

roflcopter

VOTE: Oxy

[Quick]

Is that in any particular order?

Just based on what came to me when.

[Sando]

I'm sorry. It's difficult to build conclusions from questions until people answer them.
So far I've concluded that this portion of your read doesn't seem valid.

I'm surprised at your reaction to my questions since you are town reading the duckling and he's been giving a master class in questions without content.

Lol

So I've provided links to duckling providing fairly strong content, I even characterised him as providing the first strong townread of the game and articulated why that's townie. Then when I imply you're not providing content you disregard the posts that you specifically asked for and make a naked assertion in direct contradiction of me.

Secondly, proving towniness through evidence is incredibly difficult and rare, given it's typically a bunch of good actions followed by a lack of evidence of bad actions. Proving a negative is incredibly tough to impossible, so if you want to show me why I'm right you have to at least make an effort to prove the positive, in this case that duckling is scum. You haven't done that, you've blindly asserted I'm wrong and ignored the posts that you specifically asked me to provide.

After all that, you go out of your way not to make a read...on anyone.

VOTE: Oxy

Apologies for my list before duckling, but I'm still not putting CJ into my townlist.

[ceejayvinoya]

@Oxy

duckling's posts gave me the impression that he's actively scumhunting.

[the worst]

If we agreed on EVERY SINGLE POINT I'd be worried you were buddying me, ceejay is a fair disagreement. I need to case him when i have time.