In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
In post 45, Ausuka wrote: In post 37, Vartsun wrote: In post 28, Ausuka wrote:
gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.
I disagree with this assessment; both the reasoning and the approach behind it.
1)
My questions and responses always have a purpose behind them, it's of course, to game solve and get people's ideas and discussion put forth.
I mean, sure, I could see your posts coming from a townie who's really enthusiastic about activity and voting. But the fact that you were responding and talking about so much stuff, even things like HS not bothering to respond to a RVS wagon and Mylo's lack of rvs vote, which are just completely null actions, makes you think you're more likely scum, trying to gather townreads by being active and protown, than anyone else in the playerlist.
So, asking people why they're reacting the way they are, and trying to understand their perspective, is anti-town?
that's not what I said- anti-town play doesn't come into this, and scum don't strictly play antitown.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
The whole basis of your scumlean on me, I'm getting, is that I'm actually pushing for discussion and for some reason working to gamesolve is antitown?
No. After one page of RVS, I had a weak read because I felt like the aim was more to play pro-town than be pro-town. I had this one weak scumread on post 25. You and Varsoon promptly decided to try and crucify me for this, saying that I was trying to push through a lynch on PAGE 2 (and if you can link me to a game where scum have the goal of getting a quicklynch on PAGE 2, I would appreciate that, because that has NEVER occured to me or any of my partners whenever I have played a scumgame, nor have I ever seen scum try to do that when I'm playing town) and also saying that since I happened to put someone at L-2, that means I was hoping for a lynch. At first I wanted to give your slot the benefit of the doubt, thinking that this was just your way of starting off the game and sorting people, and I could understand 100% if that was it, but Varsoon's refusal to talk to me makes me think that this is not true at all; you're not trying to sort me, you're just trying to push me here.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
Can you look at the activity of this playerlist? We haven't gotten very far in 3 days.
Yeah, that's pretty true. When the players show up to play, they'll show up; we've still got most of the day left. If inactivity continues until the end of the day, that might be a problem, but even if it is that's a problem that can only really be solved by those players choosing to contribute more.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
In post 45, Ausuka wrote: In post 37, Vartsun wrote:
2)
I'm asking again, what are your thoughts on the votes on
Lycanfire
?
I've told you once, and I'll tell you again; Lycanfire has done nothing indicative of alignment, and I don't care about the votes on him.
Yeah, that's true. I am very willing to do so. I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything though.
1)
Lycanfire has posted since then though, I was also asking why you wouldn't engage with him.
What is there to engage with? He hasn't posted anything of note.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
2)
Because I don't find much town-motivation behind your vote. You hopped on the
Varsoon/Taly
wagon while putting us to L-2, and your case so far has almost completely revolved around this hydra actually engaging with the game.
I don't see how putting you at L-2 matters at all. And if you expected me to have good reads on page 25, well, I'm sorry but I'm going to disappoint you there. Also that's completely misrepresenting what I said; trying to look pro-town =/= being protown.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
You also put
Human Sequencer
at L-2 because... I'm guessing
Lycanfire
didn't get enough traction?
Yes.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
11 21 There's little explanation behind your reasons and thoughts other than
"this is good for town"
or
"this is being too towny"
The first one is a completely acceptable approach to RVS and the second one is completely misrepping what I said.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
Your attempts to respond to us seems like they're meant to discredit or shut us down
You jumped out of the gate attacking me for a weak read I made at the start of the game. If scumreading someone is discrediting them, then yeah, I'm discrediting you. If pushing back against someone's attack is "shutting you down" then I guess I'm doing that.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
and you're not looking at other people's posting at the moment.
I am reading every post. If there's something I want to say about a post, I will say what I want to say. If I don't say anything, that's because I don't see anything worth seeing.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
In post 45, Ausuka wrote: In post 37, Vartsun wrote:
I don't like that you dodged my question by saying this hydra could be scum, and throwing a vote without gauging to understand or question first.
What question did I dodge? I said that Lycanfire is null, and I said that you are now a scumlean. That is answering your questions. And I am trying to understand, I just didn't ask a ton of questions upfront, I decided to start a push instead, since it's page 2 and nothing had really happened up to that point. Besides, what could you have said if I asked questions? You couldn't have disproven the notion that your motivation was to look pro-town, nor could you have answered to gut.
So, you're making a case on your scumread solely because you think we can't adequately respond to it?
... What? I don't even understand what you're saying here. I didn't make a case on my minor scumread on page 25 because I didn't want to lynch you and I didn't think you could respond to it, because it wasn't really a scumread of a logical nature, just what your posting felt like to me.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
1)
22 Doomfeathers agreed with your reasoning, and provided reads.
29 What do you think of him?
post 22 is null. Either alignment could easily make it and there's no reason to believe it's one alignment rather than the other. post 29 is the same way; there's nothing towny or scummy to comment on.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
2)
Mylo
voted
Brassherald
and now
Brassherald
is voting
Mylo
. Do you have an opinion there?
No; Mylo's post was basically plain pushing on activity, and I don't think scum!brass would view it as threatening enough to require an OMGUS vote. post 51 could be true, and I guess mylo is somewhat scummy, but meh.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
3)
HumanSequencer's
been one of the higher posters, do you have something to say or ask him?
No.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
I just think that you're push so far has come across as narrow, and I don't get the point behind it.
It was page 1 and I had no real reads, so I looked at the thread, thought "hey, I guess these posts feel like they're trying to get townreads" and I decided to start voting you for that, to see what would happen. However, I feel like many of the reasons for calling me scum brought up by your hydra feel fabricated.
In post 50, Vartsun wrote:
Also, if
Lycanfire
is null, what's preventing you from talking to them?
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Nothing's preventing me from talking to them; I just don't see what the point is in doing so. If they're town, they will start talking about stuff that is AI, and from that I can read them.
You say doomfeathers is town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.
