Mini 1998: Super Smash Mafia for Nintendo Switch! [GAME OVER


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Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:33 pm

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Good luck with that.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:46 pm

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Claire - JOAT (Vig, other powers unclaimed, she can do this if she wishes)
Joey - VT
Gamma - VT
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Me - VT
Acryon - VT
Kokichi - Doesn't want to claim for some reason is probably a wolf.
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Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:48 pm

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Also, lets get this out of the way now if we haven't already
PLEASE ASK FOR AN ACCELERATED NIGHT THANK YOU


I'm pretty sure Key will let us have one if we ask for it.
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Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:53 pm

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Yes I'm a wolf.
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Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:53 pm

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How did you know?
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Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:06 pm

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In post 1927, Alisae wrote:Also, lets get this out of the way now if we haven't already
PLEASE ASK FOR AN ACCELERATED NIGHT THANK YOU


I'm pretty sure Key will let us have one if we ask for it.
I can do that provided everyone, or at least a hefty majority, agree to that.
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Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:07 pm

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ty Key or atleast lower the night deadline to 48 hours 72 is a bit much imo
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Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:09 pm

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In post 1928, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yes I'm a wolf.
In post 1929, Kokichi Oma wrote:How did you know?
These posts actually come across to me as nervous.
Why are you feeling that way?
Because I know you usually joke about it but here it comes off as nervious or something idunno it seems wierd to me :/
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Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:30 pm

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Alisae might just be scum here, because she's reaching on everything here. Literal every post feels like reaching.
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Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:38 pm

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Mafia probably shot wisdom and Pin shot wisdom too. Mafia's kill was probably blocked somehow today in a ~mysterious~ way.

VOTE: Acryon
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Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:36 pm

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ok tbf the kill aligning with Pint didn't exactly come into my head right away I guess it was just my inner moonlogic.
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Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:39 pm

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But yeah the team is probably just Gamma Kokichi
so...
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Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:01 pm

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Yeah okay Logic Bomb incoming, I think Kokichi is always a wolf here, its just a matter of if he is with Acryon or with Gamma and his flip should tell us the answer to that :]
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Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:17 pm

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LOGIC BOMB




         
Part 1: Kokichi has been softing protective.

They have been laying down softs that can be reasonably pointed to and indicated as softs.
Also their resistence to claiming comes off as they want to stay hidden even though at this point they're completely outed.
HOWEVER

         
Part 2: Kokichi is NOT a protective

is pratically suicidal to make as a protective unless you have a BP or a commute or some sort of life saving device, and even then you don't need to bring that attention to yourself, you really don't. Hence why I won't believe any protective claims, and playing suboptimally isn't really an excuse. THEREFORE

         
Part 3: Wolves plan was to initate a massclaim

This could be seen by Gamma saying Massclaim GO. NOTE that Gamma could still be town, it's not really indicative of wolf!Gamma,
what's important is that Kokichi claims.

I supported it because I wanted to see what happened, but also because I don't any surprise lolfakeguilties in LyLo, also at the time I thought that Claire might have been an outed wolf and thought that massclaim would help shed light on that. But I'm probably just wrong on Claire and wolves could have also shot Wis or something. Anyways, carrying on.

         
Part 4: Kokichi wanted to claim that he was the reason there was no kill for towncred

However this gets stopped because of setup speculation I did, saying that I think a doc or any protective coming out now (or any like BPs or Commuters etc) and plus, this is pressure that I would be putting on Kokichi in . Like its a fairly easy, low effort gambit to do. It doesn't take up that much resources either.

         
Part 5: Kokichi attempts to backtrack

Since it was mutally agreed upon that we're massclaim, he doesn't know what he's panics. He says he won't claim, and his recent interactions with me look like he's nervious. Like basicly his plan was ruined, what else was going to happen? Claim VT? I'll get to why that doesn't really prevent himself from dieing. Either way, boom we got a wolf.

         
The Heart of the Gambit

Kokichi needed to do this because Claire and Joey TR me, and he was on the chopping block, Claire even said this earlier in a post that if our reads merged, it would point to Kokichi and Gamma. They knew they were fucked if they straight up killed, so they went with this gambit to attempt to get some cred before anything happened. But now that their chances at attempting the gambit are gone, Kokichi kind of just doesn't know what to do, hence his behavoir towards me. The nail in the coffin is honestly the FoS on me because at that point it just seems like he's caught when he says that I'm "Reaching" for things. Kokichi laid the last minute softs to do the gambit, so it was worth a try.

Now that he can't he can't claim VT because he's on the chopping block, he can't claim BP/Commuter because he'll get lynched, and he can't claim Doc because that would probably get him lynched as well.

         
Okay we lynch Kokichi, what's next?

Look at the flip, because Kokichi is flipping a wolf, and when he does, his role will determine who his buddy is.
Is it a goon/rb? If so, the last wolf is probably Gamma via play.
Is it a Doc/JK? If so, lynch Acryon gg ez game.

If Kokichi is a RB, why can't Acryon be a wolf?
Well he can, but the logic of Pint was blocked because he shot Acryon is stupid. Wolves didn't know that Pint was going to shoot Acryon, and wolves could have been aiming aimlessly with the RB.
If you think Acryon is a wolf because of this logic, please stop playing mafia, ty.

Now if you think Acryon is a wolf based on their play, thats a different story for a different time.

         
Conclusion

Kokichi is a wolf who tried to setup a no kill gambit in attempt to milk towncred from it, however it backfired as soon as he saw that his plan wasn't going to work or change his current situation.
Kokichi is always the correct lynch today, please clap ty.
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Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:18 pm

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Because of the lack of a kill and Kokichi's play before and after the lack of a kill, this reasoning is possible for Alisaes. What do you think everyone?
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Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:30 pm

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In post 1933, Kokichi Oma wrote:Alisae might just be scum here, because she's reaching on everything here. Literal every post feels like reaching.
Actually why yes, I have theories and I am trying to bounce them off people.
Moonlogic by nature is reachy.
I want people to tell me if I am being stupid or not, and I clearly was with suggesting Claire was mechguiltied when Wolves could have shot Wis.
So yes, I am blatantly reaching because I want people to tell me if I'm being stupid or not.

And the samething applies to my case on you :]
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Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:33 pm

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In post 1855, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria isn't scum. At worst she's like a weird SK. I think acryon still is the lynch.
Also, this a post where wolf!Kokichi is attempting to buy into scum!Claire paranoid I have.
Except he is suggesting her as an SK.
And that is fucking impossible because of our town wincons, which blatantly suggest that we have to elimate the mafia not all threats.
And this fucking guy would KNOW that if he had a town wincon.
But he doesn't have a town wincon, so he is trying to suggest the Claire SK angle.
If he doesn't have a town wincon, then SURPRISE, HE IS A FUCKING WOLF.
TADA

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, IT REALLY ISN'T.
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Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:34 pm

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BONUS POINTS
It has also been mentioned at SoD that our wincons suggest that there cannot be an SK
and he is still suggesting this.
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Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:06 pm

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In post 1937, Alisae wrote:Yeah okay Logic Bomb incoming, I think Kokichi is always a wolf here, its just a matter of if he is with Acryon or with Gamma and his flip should tell us the answer to that :]
its funny that you think I will be lynched in any universe this game.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:18 pm

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In post 1943, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1937, Alisae wrote:Yeah okay Logic Bomb incoming, I think Kokichi is always a wolf here, its just a matter of if he is with Acryon or with Gamma and his flip should tell us the answer to that :]
its funny that you think I will be lynched in any universe this game.
ok tough guy.
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Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:50 am

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In post 1877, Alisae wrote:I'll buy that wolves ALSO shot Wis
That is if you can convince me WHY wolves shot Wis.
Like what reads did Wis have that were deemed worth shooting him over
wat
how about wis was sorta leading the town? Who would you propose the wolves shot?
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Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:21 am

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In post 1900, Joey_ wrote:The actual town block is you mariar and myself. Even if mariar is sk it will be resolved because she cannot make another shot ever because she will confirm her as sk
what have you done to get into a townblock huh? cos I don't recall you doing anything special
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Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:23 am

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In post 1915, MariaR wrote:We have no claim that can stop the mafia kill.
So where did it go last night?
Or the night that Pin shot wisdom?
Maybe mafia did shoot wisdom.
Perhaps mafia are claiming vt when they're a rber etc etc
Regardless Alisae I'm town based on play alone and killing scum you need to accept that so we can move forward and win or I need to talk you into it 1 of the 2
so none of your abilities are responsible for stopping kills? ok
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Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:24 am

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In post 1923, Kokichi Oma wrote:No thanks. I'll read and decide what we do.
aka "lemme decide my fakeclaim"
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Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:25 am

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In post 1933, Kokichi Oma wrote:Alisae might just be scum here, because she's reaching on everything here. Literal every post feels like reaching.
how about the fact kiana townslipped and their VT claim was 100% natural
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