Open 716: Making Friends and Enemies [Game Over]

[Myloninja13]

Math, you keep changing your ideas very quick lol.

I'm fine to go after GC, my town read on him was depleted as he rooted for a Gamma/Me lynch.

[Mathdino]

Math, you keep changing your ideas very quick lol.

What's your point?

Do you agree/disagree with the analysis?

[Mathdino]

Yeah no I'm not wearing kid gloves anymore.

VOTE: Myloninja

Been leaving you alive with the recognition that you'd be capable of towning it up after lurking for a while. But it's been 2 days, and we ended yesterday counterwagoning you.

If you're town, now is the time to town it up. Post or perish.

[Myloninja13]

Woah.

I have to go to school now, but when I'm back I guess I'll start posting content?

[Mathdino]

Or, if you want to save yourself the effort, you could self-vote like yesterday.

You're capable of posting content as town. We both know that.

You're incapable of producing quality nuanced content as scum.

[Mathdino]

I'm liking LUV, MathDitto, dave and Gamma, they all seem town-motivated and actually interesting in finding scum.

Not sure what I feel about Pop and verydark, they both have townish actions but they both seem distant in actually trying to discover scum in this game.

Pretty much everyone else left no notable impression on me so far.

These people are all town. Mylo knows this.

Still here, and I figure I may as well vote to actually do something.

VOTE: Davesaz OMGUS always wins.

Yet he votes his townread literally out of OMGUS.

Why not verydark?

Because it seems perfectly in line with the game I was in with him, where he was also universally suspicious until a clear cop read saved him.

If you are scumreading Dave and BuJaber and BuJaber is close to a lynch, and Dave has no votes...why did you vote Dave over BuJaber?

Because we still have time left. If I voted him, he'd be L-1 and could be lynched. Although, at this point I don't think anyone aside from verydark could get lynched.

WKing verydark because verydark was the kryptonite wagon. Refusing to lynch someone you know is lynchbait is super common in people who don't roll scum very often (cough me cough).

Kmd makes my argument for me. I never noticed that shit before lol

If you think he's scum then why would that be a bad thing?
And if you don't think he's scum then why did you say he's a scumread?

I mean... that's fair. I do think of him as a scum read, and I would much rather see him lynched than verydark, but I generally wait to hold off on L-1ing.

But at this point, I'll

VOTE: BuJaber

This is L-1

Only L-1's Bujaber because dave tells him to. If he wanted to hold off on L-1ing, he'd have stuck to his guns.

I'd say that my list of town reads would be Math, SS and GL. All of whom are being helpful, but also don't seem stiff in their helpfulness. And none of whom I can really see as mafia with Bujaber.

I don't really have any scum reads, but dave is a little suspicious from yesterdays actions and also being a bit forceful?

All of these people are town. Mylo is incapable of commenting on his scumbuddies.

Uh... I'm fine with lynching Kmd, but should we wait to use the rest of the day here?

VOTE: Kmd4390

kill me now.
Sheeps me onto Kmd because "he's fine with it" despite never having stated a read on Kmd. Kmd has been one of the main slots pressuring Mylo.

Welp, why not sheep this vote?

VOTE: Dave

THIS IS L-1

Same with dave. Mylo's votes are all survivalistic. Vote someone so he doesn't get lynched, vote someone to remove someone pressuring his slot.

I'm and here and I'm fine to take responsibility for the screw up that was daves L-1.
Honestly, at this point I'll just sheep my town reads here, I'm going to avoid screwing up more. If it gets to it, I'll swallow the lynch too.

For now I'll just sheep Mathdino.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Literally the same thing. Mylo has 0 interest in gamesolving.

so i feel like gamma's avoided the mylo wagon for optics

feeling 1 and only 1 scum in {gamma, mylo}

and then 2nd scum in {GL, brass, GC}?

does that even work?

The only one there I can see happening is Gamma/Brass.

Also, have you changed your mind considerably on kmd?

Responds to my total gamesolve with "Hey why don't we go back to lynching Kmd?"
Yknow, after we made it clear we weren't lynching offwagon.

VOTE: Gamma
, sorry but I don't see anyone else here. No one wants to lynch outside of daves wagon, and GL and GC are strong town reads. Brass is a little suspicious, but only from his quick swap from me to dave back to me.

Classic "PoEing yourself out of sensible reads".
And so fucking much for that "GC strong town read".

Gamma, why are you unvoting me now? Everyone wants me lynched now that you're confirmed, I may as well get it over with.

VOTE: Mylo

And now that he fucked himself over by thinking Gamma wasn't an option, he pulled a verydark and didn't get lynched for it.

I can get on the brass wagon now, he's the only person I'm actually suspicious of now.

VOTE: Brassherald

See above. PoEing himself out of possible scumreads.

VOTE: Gamma

Well, I thought that was confirmed town until you and kmd pointed out they could've easily found out it was a fake vote first.

Knows Gamma is confirmed town, thought he'd get credit for pointing it out.
Only goes back on Gamma with permission from me, but clearly doesn't believe it at all.

But why lie if he was mafia and thought he was actually lynched? He's lynched, why lie and be annoying to everyone after his flip?

He says this

while voting Gamma

. He acts like an offwagoner in every way, except for the fact that his vote goes wherever
- other people tell it to
- his own survival needs it to

Mylo is scum.

[Mathdino]

Town = NSG/dave
Likely town = Kmd/Agent/pops
"To-read list" = Sando, GuiltyLion
Fucking post = Kop/Mylo
Scumlean = BuJaber, Gamma (mfw GL sheeping-without-sheeping my scumreads)
Lynch pls = verydark

holy balls could i have been right about everything except gamma

Mylo --> GC --> verydark --> GL should win the game, removing everyone who's a mason from the lynch order

[Aster]

Vote Count 3.1

Votee	Voters
Myloninja13 (1)	Mathdino (1377)

Not voting:

Ankamius, brassherald, Green Crayons, GuiltyLion, Kmd4390, Myloninja13, Something_Smart, verydark

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

[brassherald]

Math has a good case here. But, you did mislead is yesterday, Dino.

Do you have a scum game of yours recently, math? I feel like I should do a check on you, just to check what you are like as scum

[Mathdino]

Meh. I never actually looked at Myloninja's ISO when I claimed things about it. I kinda just assumed he kept lurking/doing nothing.

Did say there was scum in {Gamma, Mylo} and that there's scum on davesaz wagon. From your POV, it's basically confirmed that there's scum in {GC, Mylo}.

My most recent completed scumgame is Three In One Part 2. Shot the doctor and planned a faked guilty on the cop. I'm pretty sure I'm catchable by meta but no one really gives a shit to do so lol.

Honestly my best argument is that
- I wouldn't have made the pops kill because I don't shoot VTs or people I can get lynched
- I wouldn't have made the davesaz kill because he's davesaz, and I'd just figure out who the masons are instead between the pool of 4 (not that hard)

[Myloninja13]

You know what? I feel like saying one of the stupidest things possible.

I feel like you're reading too much into me. Not as in, I'm upset you're looking at players or anything, more that I think you overestimate my abilities to plan ideas and what to do.

I didn't know what "WK-ing" was and the idea of it. I sheep my strongest town read because the only time I didn't, I made a mason reveal. And I'll be honest, I'm definitely way too survivalistic, I don't even know why. But I apologise.

However, I may bring up a counter point against me being scum:

A) I never would've killed pops Night 1 unless my partner forced me to.
B) All these moves that you're calling me out for (Which are indeed scummy) are things I do as town. I was called out for being survivalistic in my first game, I've listened when people said they had suspicion on me for a reason, and immediately 'solved' that in all my games so far.
C) This is more of a personal gripe, but saying "You're incapable of producing quality nuanced content as scum" disregards the fact you haven't actually seen me being scum. I've only been scum once outside of mafia scum, which is here: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... ess?page=1 . And for the record, I don't make quality content as town either lol. The best I've done is call out the scum team once, but I've consistently been a generally useless town member.

How many mislynches do we have?

[Mathdino]

2 mislynches to spare, 3 is a loss.

I'm not asking you to defend yourself (although I do appreciate the scum meta cuz I was gonna ask).

I'm asking you to do whatever the fuck it is you do as town so we don't lose.

[Myloninja13]

The problem is, this game is what I do as town. Lurk at the beginning, just survive day 1, get suspicion on in day 2 and then float just above a lynch for the rest of the game.

So, if we lynch Me and GC and we both flip town, we're still okay?

[Mathdino]

i mean it would be real nice to not go to 5p lylo with verydark or good scum players like kmd/GL

[Myloninja13]

True... so let's just assume GC flips scum. Where would you go from there?

[Mathdino]

Well I can't tell you that because the partner is literally probably in the mason pool.

[Myloninja13]

Oh, that wouldn't help matters.

You said earlier there were four scum teams you could imagine. These ones:

GC/verydark
Kmd/verydark
GC/Mylo
Kmd/Mylo

Do you still believe in these?

[Mathdino]

I could probably see you/verydark by VCA.

[Myloninja13]

So, lynching me would be a good idea not just from my actions but also my vote counts and possible scum teams.

GC/verydark
Kmd/verydark
GC/Mylo
Kmd/Mylo
Mylo/verydark

So once I'm lynched, you'd be left with two scum teams that contain the same person. Would this make verydark a better day 4 lynch, or is GC a better lynch from actions?

[Mathdino]

i don't fucking know

i'm the only one sitting here gamesolving

the point is that you help me, not "you run my logic to its natural conclusion"

i want to hit scum so we don't hit 5p lylo at all

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I realised I forgot to ask ages ago, why is SS a town lock? And why is GL not on the lynch line?

[Mathdino]

GL isn't in the lynch order because I assume we're gonna hit scum already in {GC, Mylo}.

[Something_Smart]

Why, and why does that make him town?

[Mathdino]

I think I've adequately explained why I have more issues with GC and Mylo than with GL?

Reading Bujaber's ISO, I don't think he interacted with GL in a scum-scum way.

That said, on reconsideration, his whole "There's probably scum in the meme team, they're too trusting" actually sounds kind of prophetic. So with that in mind, I could definitely see GL is scum conditional on a few flips.

I haven't yet gone through the work of figuring out who GL-scum is actually consistent with yet though.

[verydark]

I was prepared to come here and vote Math, I figured I'd find something in his ISO that I could quote to rationalize my vote, but after going through everything, I realized his reads are consistent and he hasn't contradicted himself.

I'm operating on the assumption he's town for this reason, but having no experience with him either way, he could actually be really good at playing scum.

okay cool so

my current narrative:

Assuming verydark is town, inactive scumteam was unable to stop the slow creep toward the Bujaber lynch. Scumteam didn't ALL bus because they definitely had the manpower to get away with a verydark lynch easily.

Onwagon kill implies offwagon scum. Scum clearly thought pops was townish due to the Bujaber push for some reason. They're threatened by the wagon.

verydark hammer technically counts as offwagon for my VCA.

So I think we'll basically be good if we just lynch everyone offwagon until we hit scum. We're basically guaranteed to hit 1 scum given all the hilariously townish players that parked the Buj wagon.

My order:
GC --> Kmd --> verydark
Smart and dave are obviously exempt. Associations and play hardclear them.
I don't think LUV kills his scumread, so also exempt.

I have a tell on Bujaber that potentially incriminates one of {GC, Kmd} and one of {verydark, Mylo}.

I'm fairly sure we're looking at:
GC/verydark
Kmd/verydark
GC/Mylo
Kmd/Mylo

I'm in general agreement with this, if we don't hit scum in 2 days, though, I'm definitely voting for you.

I'm ok with lynching Green Crayons, Mylo, or kmd today.

VOTE: Green Crayons