Micro 789 - Alternating 9p - Mafia wins

[ZZZX]

Real life is ****ing me right now, VLA for 10 days, If that is an issue I don't mind being replaced.

-Z

[Lovebird]

Lol.

[Lovebird]

Lmao.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can he be replaced please?

[Lovebird]

Idek how bujaber is scumreading gl.

[Lovebird]

I'd vote ico. If he's around for lylo would be hard to get past my initial scumread of him anyways.

[Lovebird]

Korina still playing to scum meta btw.

Like, wtf. Bujaber and ico, you were both in forest fire, right? Don't see this?

[Lovebird]

And

I'm

the one "playing to scum meta" when you don't know town meta to compare?

[Lovebird]

Just lol.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Lovebird - 1 - Iconeum
BuJaber - 1 - Greenliquid
Iconeum - 1 - CheekyTeeky
Korina - 1 - lovebird
Greenliquid - 1 - BuJaber

Not Voting - Korina, ZZZX

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is suspended and will be set for 48 hours after a replacement is found.

Korina is V/LA. ZZZX will be replaced.

[BuJaber]

His play in forest fire is vastly different though? He's lurking here.

[GreenLiquid]

It's about time we got a ZZZX replacement.

I've been feeling a bit under the weather and didn't get around to a full reread of the game, but I did reread half of day one. I wanted to get a quick summary of my thoughts posted now.

- I seemed to recall Bu and Ico pushing on each other quite a bit, but actually most of the D1 pressure was by Ico. For instance 59 was Ico's first non-RVS vote, and you can also see Ico putting pressure on Bu pretty frequently in their exchanges in 138, 157, and 162. Later, in 190, he wavers. This looks a lot less like Ico/Bu SvS than the impression I got from their D2 posting, to the point that I'm tossing out that theory. It would have to be either TvT, which seems unlikely, or scum!Ico pushing town!Bu, possibly because of meta reasons (trying to achieve lynch on someone who could identify his scum meta, then relenting when it was apparently Bu wasn't actually scum reading him via meta), or town!Ico correctly pressuing scum!Bu.
- BuJaber looks a little less scummy than he did when I first read through. Reading through his early-game posting with the benefit of knowing his eventual explanation makes it read fairly benignly. I don't know that this has much of an effect on my thinking, as I still scum read him on balance, but I guess I'd be more willing to reconsider in LyLo.
- Christopher's vote on the N_M wagon in 99 seems less benign on reread with the knowledge that N_M was town. My interpretation of Christopher's actions in terms of scum motivation was basically "lazy scum play", and this kind of convenient vote definitely gels with that approach.
- Christopher's reads list in 100 has Ico, Bu, and Love as town reads. I suspect if Christopher/Korina flips red, we'll find his partner in that group, and just based on the interactions I saw I think Love or Ico are more likely than Bu for that.
- Both Bu's and Ico's response to my point against Love at the start of the game (42. 43) are potentially scum-motivated if Lovebird is the partner of either. Ico's comment in particular seems intended to shut down the conversation without really taking a stance.

[GreenLiquid]

Based on the re-read thus far I'm more inclined now to lynch Ico than BuJaber, as a red Ico flip would make Bu much less likely to be scum and make Love look more likely to be scum. It helps that my scum read of Bu is a little weaker now.
Re-reading Lovebird's early posting has reminded me why I scum read that slot, and I'd be down for a compromise lynch there as well, even if her D2 posting has been a bit better overall.
I'm really not keen on lynching in {Korina, ZZZX} today unless someone has a strong case. Maybe that'll happen based on how ZZZX's replacement acts but for now I'd prefer to focus on {Ico, Bu, Love}.

[Iconeum]

Back now, catching up later today.

Also, lol @ zzzzx. What a giant turd waste of time.

[Iconeum]

Korina still playing to scum meta btw.

Like, wtf. Bujaber and ico, you were both in forest fire, right? Don't see this?

I don't think I played a forest fire, ever.

[Lovebird]

Ping.

[Lovebird]

His play in forest fire is vastly different though? He's lurking here.

But he lurked in Forest Fire too?

Am I misremembering?

Even if not just lurking, it's the tone too.

[Lovebird]

Based on the re-read thus far I'm more inclined now to lynch Ico than BuJaber, as a red Ico flip would make Bu much less likely to be scum and make Love look more likely to be scum. It helps that my scum read of Bu is a little weaker now.
Re-reading Lovebird's early posting has reminded me why I scum read that slot, and I'd be down for a compromise lynch there as well, even if her D2 posting has been a bit better overall.
I'm really not keen on lynching in {Korina, ZZZX} today unless someone has a strong case. Maybe that'll happen based on how ZZZX's replacement acts but for now I'd prefer to focus on {Ico, Bu, Love}.

What about my early posting you scumread?

[Lovebird]

And, why wouldn't you vote Korina?

[Lovebird]

Like I said, would vote Ico.

[Iconeum]

It's not until his 147, after repeatedly being called out to provide substance to his case, that he calls my 59 'lazy'. And that post wasn't even made until after his accusation. Another odd thing is calling me and Buj a scumteam in 400, after I've spend most of my posts attacking Buj and voting him. Again, not bothering to prove the relation.

After this, he hops votes and goes to NM with a naked vote until someone else calls me out.

Lovebird, your entire read on me is based on having 'empty' posts. If you are still scumreading me, what's it based on?

I never claimed to have a "case" on you. I asked people to vote you just because of what I said, because your posts seem empty and I wanted to see if anything would happen under pressure.

What's "odd" about what I said? You think it's impossible or something just because of your interactions so far?

So I went back in Lovebird ISO to see what makes Love want to lynch me so much, and except for posts calling for my lynch, this is the first one that popped up (please do correct me if I missed something here).

You don't even have a case on me, bro.
Do you still feel I have empty posts? Because that's the basis if your earlier scumread.

[BuJaber]

We all agree now we lynch love or ico today?

As for which one that is proving to be difficult.

I am waiting for korina to return and to hear from zz's replacement.

[Iconeum]

Why would you even consider lynching me?
Like seriously, what's even the case here?

[BuJaber]

Because for some reason you all townread GL so that lynch isn't happening.

Lynching a lurker right now is shit for info especially when I am scumreading more than one active player.

I'm not completely convinced cheeky is town but given that most of my assumptions this game don't involve her she is the last person I'd want to lynch at the moment.
assumptions I'm talking about are scum in (love, GL, rask) scum in (Love, korina).

If love is town, I think both scum would pretty much have to be GL/korina (And right now before the flip I'm not so sure that makes sense to me). Or I've been wrong the whole game and all 3 of (love/rask/GL) are town, meaning korina and ico/cheeky are the scumteam if love flips town.

I think ZZ is being used as bait. But if love flips scum that's different. Ico probably town, GL or ZZ or cheeky are only ones I can even see as possible scum partners.

It doesn't look like you and love can both be scum here so one of you flips scum clears the other.

Plus individual reasons why you're pinging me: your early game play was scummy. You didn't provide much in the form of original reads except for going after me. Going after me was scummy considering you have first hand experience of my town meta. Your town case on Gl is weak as per my response to it.

I think you are someone I can probably sort better later on though, and for now I'm feeling love lynch is better because gut and I've felt her play was scummy and because it gives us a much narrower scum pool.
But if the town consensus is to lynch you instead of love there are enough reasons for me to support it.

seriously my head would be spinning if love flips town. I don't think I can confidently figure the game out if that happens. So I am a little scared of lynching her. But she just has to be scum.


^Most of this is written as a response to icon but it is not just relevant to him.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: lovebird