Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

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VOTE: quick

Trouble finding the thread. I'm here now ladies and gentlemen. Will catch up soon.

Voted because of biggest wagon of course.

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VOTE: cent

That's actually scummy.

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All I know is these wagons seem to snowball very quickly. Interested to see if the same people are consistently the 2-5th votes.

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Why am I being voted?

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VOTE: tchill

god bless that ISO. the first post was scummy, the centi vote was out of this world scummy, and this last post is incredibly awkward and unbelievable to be thinking of/saying. let's kill tchill.

OH this is terrible. I'm scum because I'm scummy? Terrible push day 1 but that's what you usually get day 1.

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I can assure you I'll never be scum caught off of 3 posts lol

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Tora are you still aggravated at me because of that one game and just wagoning/refusing to talk to me because of it?

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Also why me doesn't equal fry me or else nobody would say why me.

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That is a dense thought process about a reasonable question

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That's just flat out childish if you aren't gonna engage me lol.

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The scum shadow thing is good Nero.

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Good deal. I can work with that toranaga.

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Lol. That's when Walt admits to being the bad guy in a sarcastic way.

Toranaga if you're actually the bad guy hats off to you for using that gif.

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Yeah now when I flip town I'm just dumb town. Never gets old.

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Actually Chilly, less rhetorical. What games have we played together?

I remember the avatar from one game but that's it.

Wasn't talking about you specifically I was talking about the mindset of your statements that I see more often than not.

Everyone plays scum certain ways and town certain ways. When someone flips scum or town and didn't play accordingly, your read wasn't wrong. Said player just played stupid.

I see that a lot.

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Posting like you'd post as scum? That's why one of us are scum?

LOL

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Post
Post
Post.

In all seriousness I was busy today and had trouble finding the thread. My wagon doesn't magically go away the more I posts.

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I don't get the tantrum thing about other townies. To be fair I don't even know who all is entirely in this game.

Go ahead and set up your case for why you were wrong when I flip town.

Scummy doesn't equal scum.

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Eh.

I'll just reset.

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VOTE: ausuka

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i've given up trying to catch up. the little i have seen form ausuka seems scum motivated.

I understand no matter what i do i'll be portrayed as scum from this point. thats fine. I got caught up in that earlier but i won't this time. Im not gonna argue against anyone or defend myself.

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someone isn't allowed to scum read you because they know your meta? which is easily manipulated?

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yeah im just hopping in right here. I was scared to post because of how behind i am. I don't care anymore. I'm starting from here. sorry.

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i like centipede. i'll be using his reads as a basis and i'll be going back to make sure there's valid reasoning behind the reads.

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its where im starting. I've seen various post from ausuka as i've watched the game that gave me scum vibes.

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no. I just let the game get away from me and i don't know how to salvage my slot. better to try and fail than not try at all though.

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did any of the early wagons continue to have the same people on them?

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Votecount 1.4 (through post 78 cause lag)

CheekyTeeky(3)

~ Ausuka(6), Creature(11), Brian Skies(8)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(2), Spiffeh(2)

Spiffeh(1)

~ Gorkington(6)

Hopkirk(1)

~ GreyICE(3)

Creature(1)

~ Panopticon(4)

Centipede Syndrome(1)

~ Hopkirk(6)

Bins(1)

~ Srceenplay(2)

Ausuka(1)

~ Centipede Syndrome(8)


Not Voting (12): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Toranaga(1), MariaR(0), Beeboy(7), Thor665(0), Bins(0), CheekyTeeky(0), Quick(0), The Worst(0), Tchill13(0), Nero Cain(3)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

This is an automated vote count generated by a tool written by MathBlade. It goes much smoother with exact votes but will try to detect bold votes and misspellings. If you have issues during this beta, please get MathBlade.

Votecount 1.5 (through post 101)

Brian Skies(3)

~ Brigand Vvulf(4), Spiffeh(2), Ausuka(11)

Bins(3)

~ Srceenplay(2), Creature(15), Beeboy(11)

The Worst(1)

~ Hopkirk(10)

Spiffeh(1)

~ Gorkington(6)

Hopkirk(1)

~ GreyICE(4)

Creature(1)

~ Panopticon(4)

CheekyTeeky(1)

~ Brian Skies(9)

Ausuka(1)

~ Centipede Syndrome(8)


Not Voting (11): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Toranaga(1), MariaR(0), Thor665(0), Bins(0), CheekyTeeky(0), Quick(0), The Worst(0), Tchill13(0), Nero Cain(3)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

This is an automated vote count generated by a tool written by MathBlade. It goes much smoother with exact votes but will try to detect bold votes and misspellings. If you have issues during this beta, please get MathBlade.

Also, please see the note I just did about the counter!

Votecount 1.8

Quick(7)

~ Beeboy(47), Centipede Syndrome(38), CheekyTeeky(13), Ausuka(14), Hopkirk(31), Panopticon(11), Srceenplay(5)

Hopkirk(2)

~ GreyICE(5), Thor665(1)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(4), Spiffeh(2)

Spiffeh(1)

~ Gorkington(6)

Nero Cain(1)

~ Creature(38)

Bins(1)

~ Brian Skies(15)


Not Voting (9): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Toranaga(16), MariaR(0), Bins(2), Quick(35), The Worst(0), Tchill13(0), Nero Cain(8)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

Votecount 1.29

Tchill13(8)

~ Toranaga(159), Ausuka(62), Quick(195), Beeboy(64), CheekyTeeky(73), GreyICE(44), Panopticon(66), Gorkington(59)

Thor665(2)

~ Hopkirk(78), Srceenplay(34)

Srceenplay(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(23), Brian Skies(54)

Centipede Syndrome(2)

~ Tchill13(19), Bins(31)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Spiffeh(34), Creature(100)

Hopkirk(1)

~ Thor665(26)

Bins(1)

~ MariaR(25)


Not Voting (5): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), The Worst(2), Centipede Syndrome(84), Nero Cain(60)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

ausuka is on every major wagon at its peak except centipede. thats worth noting for later.

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yeah grey's "why me fry me" thing is a weak push in general. Comes off as town though. more times than not i see "top tier personality" players give absolutes as far as alignment play style goes. such as town always, town never...

So i think grey is town.

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ausuka voted everyone except centi, centi is pushing ausuka when there's no threat to ausuka...

Im working under the assumption cent is town. if one of these ever flip scum though id be worried about the other person.

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nero where are you at on reads? tell me scum i should look into other than me of course.

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(by the way, i agree with your signature, though i suspect the original context was sarcastic.)

My sig isn't sarcastic at all. I suck at solving because I am alway seeing things 10 different ways.

this was actually to chill, sorry. i meant his signature.

yeah i was being sarcastic when i said that and someone told me to use it as my sig.

When i first started playing a [player once said town win by lynching scum, not being towny. A light bulb went off and i realized most scums objective is to "be towny". its a play on that.

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why mention worst at all? totally NAI stuff there.

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and also most people dont play enough to be transparently town.

trust me ik i shouldn't be talking rn lol.

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Brian what do you think about ausuka?

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She went for centipede? I didn't see her specifically vote centipede. If so she voted on all the major wagons. Great break down I think you should be a little more confident in you "feelings" though. At least persue them with confidence and go from there.

Grey other than me do you have any scum reads?

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I'll look at hopkirk next.

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Grey do you have any other scum reads than me?

I understand my mislynch will be my own doing and absolutely no one should be blamed for it. I'm not focusing on that.

I'm trying to work with you if possible.

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You are correct. I have no idea why I thought she voted Centipede.

I just don't see anything that leaps out to me that says 'wow, this is definitely scum.'

Centipede called ausuka scum in a safe situation for ausuka. I'm just saying scum distancing wouldn't surprise me.

That said it's only an association thing I do not scum read centipede.

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Literally more work for you to type that paragraph out than to say "I'm voting Nero Cain" just so you can belittle me to make your point.

Point made.

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seriously though, tchill is a hard logic-based player from my experience in floral. feels hard to believe that he would hop on the wagon like that. i mean, the wagon hop still scummy in and of itself, but that makes tchill scummier.

She did have this to say about you though.

Ausuka doesn't know how I play as scum. The logic train of thought is correct but saying I'm scummy because I'm scummy is... Technically true but what's the point in that redundant statement? Lol.

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I'll try to look into Nero also.

Nero and hopkirk are my next projects.

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i knew your point was me not payiung attention, lack of effort.

We're 70 pages in and i dont know where to begin sorting. im a bit overwhelmed is all. I'm trying to find proper footing.

the nero push makes sense and obviously if i were scum here id be bussed.

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you fight against my lynch then voted with little to no reason.

then you just said scum were everywhere if i flip town lol.

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i guess you bold instead of VOTE. idk.

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you fight against my lynch then voted with little to no reason.

Was I right to fight against it or wrong?

depends on WHY you're fighting against it. Simply fighting against it to fight against it gets you nothing.

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you siad weak case then you ended up voting me. what solidified the case? youre tired of day 1? see theres no progression there.

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I understand my mislynch will be my own doing and absolutely no one should be blamed for it. I'm not focusing on that.

This is a little

LAMIST

though. I know everyone plays differently but town that is about to get lynched would be more up in arms and looking for the opportunistic scum on their wagon, IMO.

what do you think my ausuka push was???

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i gave my own reason. how big is your wagon? is there a wagon? its just me and maria atm lol. what a wagon

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theyre all the same thing lol.

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i noticed centi FOS'ing you, thats it.

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you voting multiple people cant be scum motivated or give me scum vibes?

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ok i disagree. plain and simple.

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comparing yourself to lhf isnt flattering

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im not appealing to anything.

im actually the opposite of appealing atm.

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comparing yourself to lhf isnt flattering

do you have any other response to this?

what does it prove that you shouldn't be lynched over the guy thats about to get lynched?

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TBF, I didn't say it was impossible but there are several ppl here that have played with me and know this is my town game.

Do you think I should be lynched over tchill?

I never said you should be lynched instead of me. You said you shouldn't. I was trying to figure out the purpose of you saying that when you are obviously in no threat of being lynched.

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so basically any vote not on me atm is useless?

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Yeah that's flawed logic for a very high amount of situations.

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Idk how Maria could be scum for sure coming from the centi slot. I didn't see anything with a lot of proof or very incriminating from Maria's iso.

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@hopkirk imo you played a good game in floral and scum if someone's scum from that game you're gonna be a priority to sway. I SR'd a decent amount of the game and could see you being scum with the same play style though. It doesn't come off as genuine imo it comes off as brushing you off.

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All I know is these wagons seem to snowball very quickly. Interested to see if the same people are consistently the 2-5th votes.

Tchill why did you feel the need to say this? Wouldn't this kind of tell use all of it's utility when it was made public knowledge that this is something you're paying attention to?

I'm not understanding the 2nd question? Does me pointing that out take away it's relevance? Maybe but I doubt scum is afraid of my opinion atm or even bothered with it at all. I highly doubt that statement keeps scum from doing that.

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I hopped on centi just to hop on centi. I usually play day 1s without much actual reasoning behind my moves. Just to see what happens kinda thing.

Centipede did a breakdown on reads and explained them in a manner I felt that he was town. So I started there.

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I'm sure I did. Idk why I did.

I agreed with the thought process. I'll have to go back and look.

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You have to understand I was watching him talk about slots Ik little to nothing about. His CASES made sense.

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i looked at chill. i don't really have much of an opinion there. personally he's on the townish side of null. and yes, he's so damn scummy and is doing absolutely nothing to rectify that, so the fact that there's a wagon on him doesn't surprise me at all. he could be scum, sure. he's not even here right now and said he's resetting, so am i supposed to interact with him? interact with the wagon? every vote on chill is justified because he's scummy, so there's nothing i find particularly interesting to look at.

and no, like i keep saying, Elli doesn't have time for this game for the rest of the day. he doesn't have an opinion.

pedit: well, meta isn't

that

reliable.

to clarify with the above post, chill being objectively scummy and lynchable is different from my thinking he's nullish. knowing nothing at all about chill my first guess based on his hypocritical reaction to Toranaga would be townish.

Then I just went with his reads from one point. Yes he actually opens the door to the possibility I'm town and yes that's why I looked at his reads.

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Quick: assuming Nero is town, from a scum Hopkirk pov i'd call it an attempt at buddying/getting Nero to ease up on the scumread. but it could also be a genuine opinion from town Hopkirk.
i mean, players are allowed to townread Nero for things besides meta. is it that the read is too early in general?

pedit: hahaha. i don't know why that post is so funny. i should really fill in the gaps of what i've read re: when Quick's read on Nero changed.

I like this too but it's after I started up again I do believe

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Look. I sat down opened the game. Centi just posted reads. I isoed centi. Didn't seem stupid and had a reason for a thing or two I thought made sense so I just went with it.

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VOTE: maria

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Creature sounds like a self help book rn.

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Are you allowed to play without seeing your role pm? I fail to see how that's productive from any angle.

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Why does Grey get a pass?

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the fact grey pushed me as soon as i hopped back on and asked who he was voting at the time to vote with him is all you need to know

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100 page day 1 and we're gonna lynch a "scum slip"

Laughable.

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Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

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A combination of that and Maria would make sense.

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Lmao. It's not a slip. I never said I believed it was a slip. Slips practically don't exist.

Ik I've been lazy but you've been active. Don't start being lazy on page 93ish.

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Or we could lynch somebody.

Yall know town can't win if they don't lynch someone right?

Or does hitting page 90 give us an astronomically higher chance of lynching scum?

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I'm pretty sure Maria is scum because I'm town, my wagon didn't go through, scum doesn't let their wagon go through and now we're probably back onto a town wagon.

It'd be nice to lynch Maria.

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Yeah Thor explained it.

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VOTE: Panoptican

Serious vote. We're lynching here today.

VOTE: panoptican

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Good job scum. Back to the tchill wagon after your scum buddies got run up.

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It's a fact that if I'm town from your pov I'm the easiest lynch to get pushed through today. If a wagon on another townie gains traction there is no reason to come back to me. If a wagon on scum gets traction there's a ton of reason to come back to me.

Grey didn't vote Maria or pan. Grey voted me.

If one of those players flip scum then there's an association link there.

I'd bet a lot that one of Maria or pan is scum and I wouldn't be surprised if Grey was scum with either.

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Why would I do that?

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The only independent scum read I have rn us ausuka.

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VOTE: maria

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Oh right.

Thought you would point out Brigand though.

For being on a whole two wagons?

Tchill is obviously happy and ready to vote anyone who isn't him.

You're right.

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I am town.

if I'm living everyone make this statement thank you

Ausuka is scum

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There's many more players to worry about.

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Quick
Tch

is the centipede town

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Are you serious? I said Maria was scum because the wagon went from me to Maria back to me lol.

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Well I definitely think Grey is scum too.

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all im saying is if your main point is a gif its probably not a good case.

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So... Grey, pan or ausuka should be lynched right?

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VOTE: greyice

ready to lynch scum

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I'm still kind of playing in real time and not really keeping up with details.

Has ausuka been dealt with at all? I felt she was scum early like Grey and Maria.

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Lol