Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Mathdino]

Votecount 1-14

mutantdevle

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(3)

: Iconeum, pinturicchio, ceejayvinoya

Iconeum

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(2)

: Sando, MOMOMEN

MOMOMEN

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(1)

: Alonzo

Alonzo

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(1)

: Quick

the worst

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(1)

: Oxy

Not Voting

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(5)

: randomidget, mutantdevle, Not_Mafia, the worst, pisskop

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-04-24 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- None!

[pisskop]

wholly All My Children you guys.

Its going to be a pain in my balls to sort the bickering and logical fallacies.

[Alonzo]

ok so my pc decided to break down. i am more or less caught up now, any questions?
i wont be long posting for a little bit while fixing my pc

oxy, sando
momonen, the worst, CJ
NM, Pintu, pisskop
Ico, nm, mutant
alonzo

reads atm

Got any Filler?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Icolinoleum

@mutantdevle

I was answering people earlier on why I think your readlist sucks. I can be judged for a lack of an explanation as well as actually having one. Guess which one looks better.

[Alonzo]

could you link me to what you perceived to be AtE in your last game with scum!pingu btw?

Spoiler: Pintu being emotionally manipulative

@NSG, I really don't know what to say to you, because you haven't said where the hell are you coming from with your read on me, sorry

Ok, first of all: I am the better vig option. Sorry Gamma, but Dino is right: the stupid wagon on me was a death sentence as I'm not a PR. Town already made that mistake and there's no turning back. And yes, stupid wagon, fucking stupid wagon, because almost all the reads about me on this game were "that post from Pin looks like newb!town" or "I've seen "newb!scum playing like Pin". I subscribed to this game to play with experienced players to learn quickly and be contributive, but no matter how much effort I took (and yeah, a lot of effort using google translate almost the entire time to use the exact words I'm trying to say), no one really cared about what I had to say in this game. "You overexplain yourself" of fucking course I do, I don't speak fluent english, I'm here because of that. I really tried to be helpful, but it was impossible. Please, lynch or vig me this day, as I assume I will be more helpful being dead than alive in this game.

Secondly, and to be a little more positive, I did learn a lot with this game, so thank you all. Hope my flip helps anyone to build better cases on D2 as I feel every single case on this day was Dino talking shit and trying to be MVP.

@pintu: i'll listen to your reads if i'm still alive btw

hope you don't fall into the "fuck the community for D1 lynching me" mindset tbh
the first game i played with hyper-experienced players got me D1 lynched for bullshit reasons
sometimes it's more about charisma than anything else, which can be annoying but things get better

Don't worry, I'll keep playing as my english has already improved and I learned a lot from this game: I need more confidence on myself and my own cases and reads. I know you took time to read what I had to say and there are others that did too, so sorry for generalizing but that's how I felt this game.

Jay: I know.

But right now I seriously doubt if I did anything that would change anything.

I took a look while I was working and I saw no cases. Players are sheeping sheeping players. That's all I can see. Even during a brief look at all the pages I saw plenty of scummy posts from almost all of you. (You're no exception.) Would it be worth pointing the out? I'd spend hours with posting only to face the fact: noone would care.

Exactly how I feel, and it's even more unffair for you since you have done a lot to contribute. It just feels like people took two random wagons just to have a lynch and a vig target. Even if you flip scum, I would say it was just a lucky guess.

This is exactly the shit I was talking about: you guys just like so much the smell of your own farts that it's impossible playing along with you. "I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, THIS WAS ALL PLANNED ALONG!!1!ONE!1" Nicely done, A50

Fair enough Pin, but why not vote Mutant when the wagon built? He was clearly your favoured lynch, or so it seemed.

"Just to be clear: I don't think this "push a wagon till getting a claim" is the best strategy at all", said Pinturicchio, but nobody cared. I will be vigged today as it is the best for town, and I'm town, so now I don't like that strategy.

@Pin:

But then if we followed you and voted A50 then presumably that would also draw out a claim, so...

I'm voting for the player who I now think is the most probable scum of all; if you wanna follow, that's up to you. I'm playing my game now that I'm certainly a dead man walking.

This is Almost's ego finally reaching critical mass. I knew he wouldn't stay silent for too long, especially after he let Dino build it up to be shot Night one by the mafia instead of him.

Pintu, you also have to realize the Vigilante DOES have a mind of their own too. They may very well shoot someone elsa.

Sure, but Vig SHOULD shoot me, as it's better to shoot a VT claim than someone who could be a PR. It's the best for the team, and I'm going to fuck up the vig if he doesn't following the best for the team and trying to be the hero. The ONLY way I survive this is if 1. The JK REALLY thinks I'm town, which I really don't know, or 2. If we get 2 more claims, one of those gets lynched and the other looks scummier than me. I don't expect neither of those happening

Sorry Luca, I'm tired of this bullshit, not giving my thoughts again to not be useful as it had been the entire game. People like NSG and A50 comes from nowhere, starts a wagon without arguments and now I'm 99% dead. Want some quick thoughts? You are locktown, win the game for us and keep pushing those who are playing like shit.

I don't really know why I have to say this, but again: I wasn't voting for mutant, I was voting for Aneninen. Could you stop making assumptions that started off from a lie? Just lynch me already, you qill get more info from that than from A50 lying to get his "I KnEW YOu WeRe gOIng TO do ThaT!!1" gimmick

The lesson here is that I'm right about not being considered in this game. As A50 said in his first read list, "literally, WHO?"

Not gonna lie, this lynch feels wrong
But I just don't see other viable lynches right now with 3 days on the deadline
I guess A50 could be scum but we're not d1 lynching him
I'm pretty low on townreads :/

Why are "WE" not D1 lynching A50???? Because you say so? Because he's not expendable like me or Aneninen?? That's what's going on this game's D1 tbh. Just kill us already without trying to be sweet with us, if you want to play only with experienced players, don't let us in in the first place.

What?

A50 is a player I have a good record of sorting given time and flips. I can generally tell which players fall under that category. It has nothing to do with experience. I'd just as quickly say we're not d1 lynching Paradox.

Again, WE'RE not d1 lynching Paradox? Good for you if you can sort A50, I don't trust you and your reads as me being in this position is partly because of you. The possibility of you being scum with A50 and winning the game just by saying "hey trust me we are not lynching this guy on D1" is getting more and more plausible. What's going to happen tomorrow? What changes between D1 and D2 for A50? He automatically get's his role pasted on his forehead and it becomes obvious what his alignment is?

I'm tired of your leadership, it's full of manipulation and making the game go the way YOU want, but not the rest. Tired of "I know the best for town" vibe

One thing I find fun is after being accused of being on a scum motivated wagon Anen tries to wagon Mathdino.
Like I'm seeing less and less that I like. Fuck it I'm following this lead.
VOTE: Aneninen

He was not accused of being on a scum motivated wagon, the wagon started MUCH AFTER he placed his vote on Mutant. I'm really tired of people reading the fuck they want on this game. Gamma, if you don't trust A50, don't make the game easy for him voting the wagon he is trying to push without reasons.

ME WALLPOSTING? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOW MUCH FUCKING POSTS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS GAME, DINO????

You saying I make wallposts when the only really big post I made was full of spoiler tags is just the cherry of the cake of this game. Saying that the reason this game is mainly to wallposts and not because of your fucking lame 1v1 with Luca to see who has the longer dick is just painful, and the lack of posting of other people could be mainly because of neither wallposts and said 1v1, so could you make any good reads at all, Dino?
P-edit: apology accepted, still thinking the 1v1 was much more determinant

Actually I just want this day finished so I get vigged and look what A50 says when D2 comes. Spoiler alert: "whatever, he was the better option"
VOTE: Aneninen

You saying I make wallposts when the only really big post I made was full of spoiler tags is just the cherry of the cake of this game. Saying that the reason this game is mainly to wallposts and not because of your fucking lame 1v1 with Luca to see who has the longer dick is just painful, and the lack of posting of other people could be mainly because of neither wallposts and said 1v1, so could you make any good reads at all, Dino?
P-edit: apology accepted, still thinking the 1v1 was much more determinant

i neither started that nor insisted that anyone do anything more than skim that

every time that happened i actively asked to disengage

but then it became "yo mathdino is scum for dropping the conversation"

like obviously games are much better without 1v1s, i think the content of 1v1s is barely alignment indicative and should largely be skipped

Disengaging throwing shade in those posts is not disengaging at all, you knew Luca was going to reply to you. Don't try to sell me that shit. I tried to disengage that 1v1 telling Luca to back off, because you were clearly going to keep saying "smarter" shit

If Paradox or Creature claimed VT would you be saying they would have to be lynched at some point? Of course you wouldn't.

creature is just gonna get NK'd

paradox i guess is policyviggable, i wouldn't mind a vig there if he just claimed VT out of nowhere (which would be inherently scummy)

So now you're saying that you wouldn't mind to vig your locktown (as said by you)... I don't really know why the fuck I trusted you

The thing is, if you were townreading someone, there's no chance he would get to L-1 because "we are not lynching him today guys", so let's cut the hypothetical crap?

Well then, what are you waiting for. Jump on the wagon again, let's lynch Aneninen and if he flips town, the vig shoots Dino. If Aneninen flips scum, we follow the first plan and the vig shoots me.

You being scum is in no way conditional on Anen being scum, and obviously verbalising this plan is a bucket of WIFOM.

Do you believe you're never getting lynched given the circumstances?

I didn't understand a single thing of your post. I want this day to end and I'm persuading Luca to lynch Aneninen so we can go on. This has been an eternal dawn for me

Fuck it, I'm not following scum. A50 is pocketing Dino without even trying. Dino: "I'm starting to think that NSG could be scum. A50, what do you think?" - A50: "lynch NSG" - Dino: "Yeah, I agree". WHAT. THE ACTUAL. FUCK.
VOTE: Almost50

OK. So Dino wanted a readlist? Here are my final reads:

1. Mathdino (Town)
2. JaydragonKing (Scum)
3. Almost50 (Town, of course)
4. Luca Blight (Shitty Town)
5. northsidegal (Scum)
6. Creature (How is this still in the game?)
7. Pinturicchio (Shitty Town)
8. Aneninen (Town)
9. Gamma Emerald (Town)
10. TheGoldenParadox (80% Shitty Town, 20% Scum)
11. jmo16mla (Town_
12. mutantdevle (80% Scum, 20% Shitty Town)

Oh, so I went from "the best lynch today because you are clearly scum" to "shitty town"? Throw me some shade, sugar!

Does anyone here legitimately believe that I'm town and A50 is scum?

Because I'm telling you right now that out of anyone in this playerlist, town-me has by FAR the best shot at determining A50's alignment, and I'm saying he's town. If he's not, he's going to be incredibly easy to sort tomorrow.

You guys are utterly failing to understand his progression this game and are essentially proving correct the idea that it's better off to not show up in the thread at all.

The fact that no one sees that A50 and I have a legitimate argument for NSG being weird (and she is in fact posting in every game other than this one, I CHECKED) and that A50 is being explicitly wagoned for it is extremely concerning.

If anyone thinks A50 is scum you're gonna have to make a real nice case for an A50/Mathdino scumteam because you're not going to make a good case for "Mathdino is just fucking wrong about A50 here".

"town-me has by FAR the best shot at determining A50's alignment", "I have a legitimate argument for NSG being weird"... GTFO with your MVPness and accept you are wrong for one fucking time, as you were wrong jumping on Aneninen's and my wagon for no single reason at all

Or either. Man, fuck english

In today's premiere, we have Dino as Anakin Skywalker
Almost50 as Sheev Palpatine
Pin as Mace Windu

Come to the light side, Ani, and prevent shitty prequels

Also Jay as jmo as Jar Jar Binks

Oh, so I went from "the best lynch today because you are clearly scum" to "shitty town"? Throw me some shade, sugar!

Making sarcastic statements like this does basically nothing to convince anyone or advance the gamestate.

Not voting for obv!scum A50 neither

You want to turn this into a "I'm right" "No I'm right" argument?

Like jesus fuck dude this isn't being clever and this isn't adding anything to the discussion. No one has made a good argument for A50-scum yet.

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

Because you and Paradox aren't good at recognising pocketing.

Because you say so, right?

@Pintu: Would you be willing to be called "The Definition of Stupidity" once I flip? I know you think high of your game (almost everybody does) but you are not as good as you may think. Not even close. Nor even remotely close.

I SAY GIVE ME SOME SHADE, SUGAR

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

Because you and Paradox aren't good at recognising pocketing.

Because you say so, right?

Because I've pocketed Paradox before and he didn't recognise it at all, and now he thinks that me doing something reasonably different from that is actually pocketing.

And because you're fucking wrong on 2 counts.

If you're interested in improving, you own up to being wrong. If I'm wrong on A50, then yeah, I've learned something. But I'm not wrong here.

Um, I'm not wrong until I see the flip, thank you. Or do you alredy know what's he gonna flip because you are scum? *Shitty Dino argument*

Behaviour like this is essentially exactly why you're playing badly tbh.

Because you say so, right?

Calling pintu/Jay/NSG, outside chance of Luca and jmo.

Edit: pintu what are you planning on saying here if A50 and I both flip town?

I think you are town, stop saying the opposite. If A50 flips town, I will say I was wrong about the pocketing thing and I will move on, as any normal person would do. Or do you think I'm the kind of douchebag that would go and say "well this is Dino and A50's fault because yaddah yaddah"?? Nah, I know one or two guys who would do that here, but not me.

And may I just add that this emotional display essentially got Almost50 lynched instead of us 3 in the scum team who were

all

promising wagons day 1.

Do not underestimate Pintu.

Pintu

You have been holding out on us no?

Also appreciate the effort from Devle there

Just read Mutantdevle's ISO

Somewhat hesitant because the hydra seems pretty confident here

but this is town. There are a few posts that I just don't see coming from scum.

Somewhat hesitant because the hydra is confident here... So you think you and the hydra are same team, and you worry about their reaction when making your own reads? Are you a sheep oxy?

Okay. Explain how

How are you going to force people to explain when you don't?

jesus fucking christ

Are you spent Hydra? Karmas a harsh mistress.

[Alonzo]

@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

[MOMOMEN]

pk you were a lot more aggreeable when we played together :p

-kts

[MOMOMEN]

we're just gonna stick to our guns and wait for everyone else to realize we're right in what we say. don't want to force you guys into anything, but lol, there's a lot of obvious wolves running around.

-kts

[pinturicchio]

@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

Hello mister Alonzo.

About the emotional manipulation: look at the timeline. He (Mutant) started gutreading me as scum, then I asked the worst to be careful, then Mutant comes and talks about me being good at emotional manipulation. Do you see what I'm saying? He's building a case after thinking I'm scum, not before, so he's reaching as hell. I haven't manipulated anyone in this game, not even close of what I did in that scumgame. My posts directed at Duckling weren't game related, I just asked him to not make toxic posts because I don't like them.

[Oxy]

@alonzo yeah I'm a bit of a sheep. If I'm confidently town reading someone

and they have a good reason to confidently scum read someone else who I'm not confidently reading,

sheeping is a good option.

[MOMOMEN]

@Oxy, ftr i too am not so confident in devle anymore. good read

-kts

[Alonzo]

@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

Hello mister Alonzo.

About the emotional manipulation: look at the timeline. He (Mutant) started gutreading me as scum, then I asked the worst to be careful, then Mutant comes and talks about me being good at emotional manipulation. Do you see what I'm saying? He's building a case after thinking I'm scum, not before, so he's reaching as hell. I haven't manipulated anyone in this game, not even close of what I did in that scumgame. My posts directed at Duckling weren't game related, I just asked him to not make toxic posts because I don't like them.

Whats your view on the way this game so far has gone so far? Do you have any idea who could be my +1 in Worst/Hydra +1?

@alonzo yeah I'm a bit of a sheep. If I'm confidently town reading someone

and they have a good reason to confidently scum read someone else who I'm not confidently reading,

sheeping is a good option.

I was thinking about your bonafide reason for voting the worst. If I was to apply a similar logic across the game, I suspect I may have voted for him between 15-20 times right now!

So I'm really confused that you cant see that the Hydra cant be trusted.

[MOMOMEN]

playing mafia is about making reads you trust. all the shading on our slot is pretty funny, but unfortunately enough, i think you're just terrible town.

-kts

[Oxy]

@alonzo
I don't understand.
You're saying that if you used my metric for voting the worst, you would have voted for the worst 15+ times by now

->Thus, I shouldn't trust the hydra.

I'm missing the connection between line 1 and line 2.

[MOMOMEN]

playing mafia is about making reads you trust. all the shading on our slot is pretty funny, but unfortunately enough, i think you're just terrible town.

-kts

ironically enough this is also shading but related to his character than his alignment. sorry bout that lol, kneejerk reaction.

[Randomnamechange]

oxy, sando
momonen, the worst, CJ
NM, Pintu, pisskop
Ico, nm, mutant
alonzo

reads atm

Where did you actually mean to put NM, and what was the train of thought that led to him being mentioned twice? I'll take as much detail on part two as you'll give me.

Bottom nm is meant to be quick. I c&p'd the player list and must have accidentally written nm rather than quick? Idk rly it aint that deep fam

[Alonzo]

playing mafia is about making reads you trust. all the shading on our slot is pretty funny, but unfortunately enough, i think you're just terrible town.

-kts

Well then I trust my read that your slot is gonna scummy as hell when it comes to the end of day pushes.

And If this is you being town... well we will have to discuss that after the game I guess. This is my first game with a hydra, I'm not seeing the correlation between play between the two heads at all here. well- apart from the opportunism present in you both.

Terrible Town. Love it. All you have is needle, and the ability to throw your hands up in a huff when people wont subscribe to your Bs.

Il quote this when I'm Obv scum later in the day.

Pedit *remebers to tone it down, passes it of as a flippant remark.

[Sando]

Bottom nm is meant to be quick. I c&p'd the player list and must have accidentally written nm rather than quick? Idk rly it aint that deep fam

Quick is in the second most scummy list? Wat?

[Alonzo]

@alonzo
I don't understand.
You're saying that if you used my metric for voting the worst, you would have voted for the worst 15+ times by now

->Thus, I shouldn't trust the hydra.

I'm missing the connection between line 1 and line 2.

You seem to have higher tolerances for certain types of play, consider them Acceptable or Even townread them. -You want to death tunnel the duck for a RT reaction to a post of yours from 2-3 hundred posts ago. Thats your stance on a scumread I was pushing also for many RT reactions.

But honestly If Worst is a 7/10 D1 scumread for me, The hydra is at an 8.5 for frequent realtime slighting of Many slots. Thats my point.

So yeah my tolerance for the duck is obviously akin or greater than yours, but I only understand your trust of the hydra by how nice and polite they are when reaffirming you as their buddy.

[MOMOMEN]

just had a game where town went against my lynches and almost all were scum. the game got even more fucking worse later, but we dont hve to go into that.

im only warning u to keep u from harm, my loves.

[Alonzo]

Its hard to imagine any town trusting you pal

[Alonzo]

You should re read 1853 if you love bittersweet

[MOMOMEN]

Its hard to imagine any town trusting you pal

lol dude theres a line between playing mafia and being an asshole. youre putting me in a position where i have to ignore you or make myself out to be a braggadocious person in which the argument turns childish. i get this is mafia, but your ego is getting in the way way too much.

[Alonzo]

I wouldn't touch that line with yours.
Feel free to post the mod if you think I have broken any rules

[MOMOMEN]

i'm respectfully asking you to tone it down, man. eddie doesn't really want to play anymore, and i'm starting to get to that point, too. it'd just be cool if you could push us in good faith.