Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Spiffeh]

This is all their posts by page 5....

That is a lot of posts for not being able to keep up.

That is 13 posts in ~3 hours... They make up ~11% of the posts at that point in time...

So they COULD keep up earlier, but now all the sudden they can't

Thread has been open for 26 hours with 885 posts. That averages one post every ~1.7 min. For the first 5 pages the thread was averaging one post every ~1.6 per minute. Pretty much the same as it is now.

Ausuka has made on average a post every 48.75 min... And they are saying they can't keep up.

You need to stop

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

[Nero Cain]

that's not the question though.

ok I really don't see where this is going but if you think my read is wrong then by all means we can talk about that

I mean, you are sheeping Gorks thought that I shouldn't think you are possibly scum that's lining up lynches on me and Tchill and I'm asking you what is the simplest solution that I should think. Town that's just wrong? Sure, that's what numbers say but I think its really funky that you rather not lynch the guy that you are scumreading more than me. Could you be scum thats trying to save your scumbuddy? If I'm wrong (and I quite possibly be) then sure. Are you scum that just doesn't want to be a a tchill mislynch wagon? sure Both of those are pretty equally plausible but I lean the later b/c I think at times scum will avoid ML wagons to make themselves look better. So I'm asking you to put yourself in my shoes here. You are confirmed town to yourself and there's a guy that wants to lynch you over the leading wagon that he thinks is scummier. Its not a very hard question and I'm not all that sure why you are struggling with it.

Maybe you are scum, maybe you are just town that's unwilling to admit they are wrong.

[the worst]

Still super behind.
I am scumreading Ausuka here.

My overseas fam are leaving in 48 hrs which positions me for a weekend in which I can catch up on this game.

@mulch

sorry for the faux prodges, they will stop <3

[Spiffeh]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

[Quick]

given the nature of Thor's push, I would say it's pretty NAI.

Why is that?

The way you are pressuring him it feel like you are actually trying to get a rise out of him. It's in your firm points and not really working with him in the slightest. I know he is a Scum read, but I think anyone who get a case on them that is tunnelesque is probably going to react the way Screen has reacted. Not saying you are actually tunneling because you are not. Just saying you keep hammering on the same point and that can frustrate anyone.

@Thor, Why was Gork Town for that post?

Which post?

I'm putting him in town for an ongoing series of posts that feel both honest and town minded.

The post I said was Scummy for his naked vote and saying "choochooo" which was the only thing he said about chill in that post. Why were the series of posts honest and Town minded?

[the worst]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

Based on limited reading I feel this

[Nero Cain]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

y?

I really disliked how Bins came in and voiced support for the tchill wagon but didn't commit.

I wasn't a big fan of Grey using the "why me=fry me" thing for Tchill.

[Gorkington]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

i feel literally the exact opposite.

[Nero Cain]

So GI was bussing tchill?

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.31(through 1508)

Tchill13(6)

~ randomidget(175), Ausuka(69), Beeboy(66), CheekyTeeky(77), Panopticon(67), Gorkington(82)

Nero Cain(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(35), GreyICE(73)

Centipede Syndrome(2)

~ Tchill13(19), Bins(31)

Srceenplay(1)

~ Brian Skies(54)

Quick(1)

~ Srceenplay(38)

Hopkirk(1)

~ Thor665(39)

GreyICE(1)

~ Quick(214)

Brian Skies(1)

~ Creature(100)

Bins(1)

~ MariaR(26)


Not Voting (7): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Hopkirk(93), The Worst(4), Spiffeh(38), Centipede Syndrome(92), Nero Cain(74)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Gorkington]

i) im not pretending to have a good idea of what any scumteam would look like on d1 because im probably wrong about individual things, let alone linked things.
ii) my vote on tchill is literally stated as a pressure vote to get him to do things because hes not doing enough in the game yet.
iii) greyice literally just got off of tchill to vote you after admonishing someone for pushing a vanity vote.

[Gorkington]

the idea that i should stop pushing someone because im scumreading someone who has voted that person at some point is kind of ridiculous.
q.q

[Nero Cain]

the idea that i should stop pushing someone because im scumreading someone who has voted that person at some point is kind of ridiculous.
q.q

feels defensive and an overreaction.

[Gorkington]

nero.
im literally the most overdefensive and melodramatic person in the world.

you have no idea how many posts ive not posted this game because ive stopped myself from being even more melodramatic than ive already been.
but i should probably just accept that youre going to scumread me all game at this point so whatever!

[Nero Cain]

ty

[Quick]

Look, you're town, so I'm going to let you in on the sad thing about these large games. It takes 11 to lynch. There's probably 5 scum, leaving 16 townies. That means if six townies decide to play The Lone Ranger and go off on their own, we would be unable to lynch anyone the scum didn't want us to lynch. In point of fact,

even if the person you are voting is scum

this is true - with 5 scum, there's enough we could split our vote between scumbags and still not get anywhere.

In short, Lone Ranger votes like these rarely accomplish something, even if they happen to land on scum. So try to sell us, or try to work with us. Nero's posts legit aren't great, but something like this isn't really going to sell us. It's a weak vote, that puts no pressure on Nero (because he needs 10 more to get lynched) and doesn't really even have bullet points for him to address (and potentially make himself look scummy). It's effectively a non-post due to game size.

If this was a micro things like this can work, because there's so few people that just putting a vote out there is important, but in a game like this you aren't even 10% of a lynch wagon. So please, lets work together.

I was really hoping we wouldn't resort to cases this game, but

ask and thou shall receive my friend

I just ISO'ed nero again. The issue I see with nero are that A) he's appearing to look active without really contributing anything of value to advance gamestate; B) he likes to dip in discussions that don't produce meaninful results that could then leads to reads; C) instead opting to take a lot of neutral stances then backing away from the discussion. D) There's also the over the top self-awareness, the unnecessary abrasiveness in dismissing scum reads on him, and in general being consioucs and reactive when confronted with the slightest of pressure. (but this could be a playstyle/gimmick so less emphasis on this part)

A.
1. 1105 pre-emptive discrediting while responding accusations
2. responding to ausuka's TR on creature, but offering no original opinion
3. 1258 dismisses the tchill wagon but approaches it from a wierd side angle while responding to grey, offers an unimpressive lurker isn't always scum defense, no opinions on people on the wagon

B.
1. with regard to ausuka's town read on creature
2. with regard to tchill being scum, leaving him a spot to join the wagon later if needed

C.
there are lots of exampes but the one that stood out was in 1090 when he offered an opinion but didn't pursue it any further

D.
1. I was offput by his consious effort to shake off the early SRs on him
2. A major proponent is the back and forth with toranaga with the absurd amount of OMGUS and jumping to the conclusion that tora must be scum, examples of this would be in 1134 where he discredits for seemingly non reason, and in 1248 where he mentions that scum could be sheeping tora with wagons but takes no initiative to spot any names
3. self-awareness re: beeboy 1090
4. responses to cheeky, etc

How do you explain Ausuka's TR on Nero being in their top 5 and Hop calling Nero Town and Nero telling Hop his read on him is baseless unless they in a hood?

[Quick]

OK, so yesterday I was thinking Ausuka, cheeky, Hop, Nero, and beeboy were all in a hood.

Not sure if anyone's already said this, but... no.

OK, NVM my previous post.

[Nero Cain]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

[Quick]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

I think you are probably Town.

[Spiffeh]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

i feel literally the exact opposite.

Can you explain why?

[Nero Cain]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

I think you are probably Town.

thoughts on Brig and Bin pls.

[Quick]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

I think you are probably Town.

thoughts on Brig and Bin pls.

Brig prolly Town. Bins Prolly Scum.

Everything Bins does is horrible and I don't think that kind of atrocity comes from Town. I've played with Scum!Bins once and it's enough to know the more contrary to the rest of the game Bins is the more likely they are Scum.

Brig Town for his case on you even though it's probably wrong.

[Quick]

This is all their posts by page 5....

That is a lot of posts for not being able to keep up.

That is 13 posts in ~3 hours... They make up ~11% of the posts at that point in time...

So they COULD keep up earlier, but now all the sudden they can't

Thread has been open for 26 hours with 885 posts. That averages one post every ~1.7 min. For the first 5 pages the thread was averaging one post every ~1.6 per minute. Pretty much the same as it is now.

Ausuka has made on average a post every 48.75 min... And they are saying they can't keep up.

You need to stop

I have no idea what you mean because you didn't explain what I was doing "wrong"

[Gorkington]

Can you explain why?

i feel gross about gi just completely ignoring my scumread on him, hes spent a lot of time not really trying to accomplish something specific and his pushes in particular just feel like they dont actually have anything behind them in a way that i would expect from town him.

with bins, i kind of felt like the buddying on me was undeserved at the time, especially since im apparently having a scummy game according to everyone and their grandma :')