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I agreed with Lovebird's townread on Rask in 20 and ruling out Rask/Green as scum together. I also thought Lovebird's naked Iconeum vote in 51 was pretty understandable given Iconeum's weak entrance post.
Iconeum's opening is pretty bad. In 43, he just paraphrases Bujaber's 42 and doesn't add anything relevant to the discussion. Then,
after
GreenLiquid questions BuJaber in 48, Iconeum does an about-turn and votes BuJaber for the "contradiction." It feels like Iconeum is trying to go with the flow and piggyback off of other people's questioning. If he genuinely thought BuJaber's 42 had a contradiction, I think he would have asked about it when he first read the post.Quoting this so people can follow what I'm talking about:
This is the supposed "contradiction" where BuJaber seemingly both town and scumreads Lovebird.In post 42, BuJaber wrote:This is all fishy to me.
Prediction: one of GL, Lovebird, Raska is scum.
Don't think scum!love would be so eager to TR someone so early. It is weird and attracts too much attention.
But seriously this whole discussion seems irrelevant; why would checking profiles be AI? Why is being bored AI? Why is being anxious to start the game AI?
This is Iconeum's next post where he doesn't say anything about it or engage with BuJaber's reads focusing instead on the more non-alignment relevant part of BuJaber's post.In post 43, Iconeum wrote:It's a strange conversation to have, but even stranger to drag it out.
I like Buj's observation here.
In post 48, GreenLiquid wrote:Why is Lovebird in your scum pool if you don't think she would have acted that way as scum?
Then sheeps GreenLiquid when he brings up that point.In post 59, Iconeum wrote:Bujabers contradiction is the most scummy thing so far imo, let's see where that leads us
VOTE: Bujaber
Other thoughts:
Cheeky entering the game by trying to derail the Not_Mafia wagon was pretty town. I think scum in her place would be more likely to either agree with the wagon or remain weakly skeptical of the Not_Mafia wagon to look good upon his flip but not actively oppose it. I mostly townread Cheeky's forcefulness here, it genuinely seemed like she wanted to change the gamestate away from what would have been a free mislynch. Her reads also align with where my current POE is at: I think Icon/Korina's slot is the most likely team but more on that in a bit. She's also making a lot of waves trying to completely change the direction of the game rather than go with the flow.
The GreenLiquid townread comes from the fact that he's looking beyond the surface when he engages BuJaber. BuJaber's grouping strategy is something that feels counter-intuitive to how most people play and something that scum could very easily push on to look busy but the amount GreenLiquid is second-guessing himself comes across like he actually cares about BuJaber's alignment. For example, in 108 he argues that the POE strategy doesn't seem useful but instead of using that as ammunition against BuJaber, calls him an "idiosyncratic townie." The fact that it happens when he is struggling to develop any strong reads at all is even more townie because the points he made against BuJaber could easily be used as excuses to manufacture a scumread if he wanted to. He does end up voting BuJaber eventually but again undermines his own read in 156 before pushing him again with actually good reasons in 278. In general, I also think GreenLiquid is being particularly cautious in trying not to lynch based on playstyle and second-guessing himself intensely. I don't think it's something scum would have as a top priority over just posting reads that they can plausibly fake.
