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[Flavor Leaf]

Saudade said unless my tone changes, but I believe my tone has changed multiple times throughout this game

[StefanB]

To specify:

Piplup: What did the fact that Cult flipped scum tell you?
Did it influence your reads?

[Piplup]

Ericas reads seemed very strange.

Maybe you could explain further.

You had scum in Flavor Leef/Stefan before (only read on day 1) you have scum in Flavor Leef/Stefan now.

Correct. I've explained why.

Interesting reaction to the votes. Implying everyone who votes him is bad.
That is clasic scumdefence.

Untruth (borderline lying maybe?). I called one person bad for placing a "placeholder vote."

To specify:

Piplup: What did the fact that Cult flipped scum tell you?
Did it influence your reads?

I've already answered this, and have no motivation to point you to it since it is only a few pages back.

[StefanB]

I'm scum because I have experience outside of this site?

Why do you view me as a strong player?

Placeholder vote?

Wow. Are you supposed to be good at this game?

Apparently, on this site you should be somewhat silent, crack a few jokes, not answer questions, use some buzzwords, and then be town read.

Good job. Let me know when you want to actually engage or lynch me. I seriously think some of you are worse players than this mod is a mod.

Glad we can have a dialogue to help solve the game.

Super helpful cakeperson.

Okay that was more misinterpret and implies Hoopla is bad.
The Hooplatownread comes more from voting scum early and beeing atacked from flipped scum, btw.

About Ericas Reads:

eeeeeeeeh ya know what fuck it I'm just going to heavily adovcate for lynching MoI if he is still alive the day before LyLo and ignore the slot till I can actually get in a headspace to gamesolve.
{Gamma, Saudade, Implosion, Cheetory, CoA}
{Stefan, GreyICE, Flavor Leaf} - with the caveot that I am literally 100% ok with Flavor Leaf dieing because Boon, Gamma, and Saudade literally make me want to replace out and Boon's playstyle is like, always terrible}
{Hiraki}
{Hoopla, Prism, MoI}

When Prism and Hiraki had one post at that time (for me not alligment-indicative) the scumread was interesting.
To note also where the flipped scum is.
MoI pointed out earlier that the replace out because of townreads (Gamma and Saudade) is not really making sense.

About my questions:

That I was wrong at speed of the wagon meaning anything. However, it doesn't change the fact that scum (likely) bussed, and I think it's in the three that I listed because they saw that she was the inevitable lynch. The fact that I was scumreading Flavor Leaf and StefanB prior is why I separated them out from MagnaofIllusion as more likely scum.

Does not really tell anyone what you thought about the scumflip.

[Saudade]

Saudade said unless my tone changes, but I believe my tone has changed multiple times throughout this game

You are exhibiting a very defense minded tone.

[Saudade]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

Petty

[Saudade]

Who is Piplup did he replace anyone

[StefanB]

Saud: Piplup is Ericas replacement.

@Mod: Can you please update the playerlist, again and the End of Day VC would be nice.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Doing some phone posting today as I have time. Took a solid look at Cults ISO again.

I’m not sure that he a great partner candidate. There was some early undercutting attempts by Cult in regards to his focus on Flavor. And I see signs that signal to me that Cult did not want to push Saud as scum but was not going to call him Town leaving Cult pivot room for future days.

I also really want to rethink Pip after that read. I feel like there was way to much interaction between Erika and Cult for them to be partners. So a dedicated reread of Erika is in order.

Still feel comfortable with Gamma as Town based on that ISO.

Flavor does look like a viable partner - there were indications of early soft defense of Flavor and I agree that late vote could certainly be poor distancing.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Grey – I am ready and willing to 1v1 you today if you’d like. With a Day 1 scum lynch I think there is room to prove your scum read on me is manufactured even if it takes me being lynched as long as the rest of the Town sends you down the line right afterwards.

So, to be clear here. You think that Grey spearheaded the lynch on one of his partners when there were other options? To, what end?

I think it’s possible and reasonable for Scum Grey to do it. Hell I’ve seen it in action first hand.

Not sure why the “to what end” question given the answer is Town cred and getting rid of a boat anchor slot. That’s Mafia basics - you claim to be experienced elsewhere so just asking the question puzzles me.

Do you disagree that Grey is widely Townread today in part thanks to that flip?

[GreyICE]

The interaction between Erika and COA was paper thin. Paper fucking thin.

I remember the first game I played with you, you drove me nuts. It was ASOIF and I hated everything you posted. It was nonsensical, it was absurdist, reading it made my eyes bleed. None of it made a lick of sense. I didn't understand how someone could write so much and analyze so little.

Then I played other games with you and you became one of my favorite players. Deep thoughts, good analysis, really, really centered play that pointed out things I never thought of. Like things I wouldn't have thought of in a week of analysis. The difference was night and day. Or, if you will, green and red.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

[MagnaofIllusion]

If I were at a computer I’d point out for everyone to see how those interactions are not partners. But phone posting means I’ll put it succinctly - this reaction is over the top and stretching to justify the vote.

Happy to do this with you Grey.

VOTE: Grey

[GreyICE]

Have fun doing that MOI. I'll be here, long after you're gone.

Well, probably just about one night phase, but c'est la vie.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Have fun doing that MOI. I'll be here, long after you're gone.

Well, probably just about one night phase, but c'est la vie.

Yup scum grandstanding. If you were Town you’d have been targeted for death last Night after “leading” a Cult scum lynch. Surprised you chose Cheery over Hoopla but I guess you figured you have Hoopla pocketed enough and had already set the stage for your mislynch push on me.

[StefanB]

MoI: When will you be on the computer again? Because I have look at both ISOs and I don't see anythink that can't be partners, exspecially if they have daytalk. (that is allways posible)

Grey: Can you be more clear, what does ping you about MoI? That he forgot me, in his analysis yesterday, and the really strange Erica and Cult are not partnersread or more?

[GreyICE]

Stefan, go through COA and Erika's post history, and find their interaction. Remember, there's "way too much of it for them to be partners".

Feel free to quote all of it, even if there's "way too much". I don't mind a wall post here.

[StefanB]

Grey: I have said there is nothink here that disproves that they are scum.
If your theory is correct, my vote isn't in a bad place.
Why should I do MoIs work for him?
I am willing to wait a few hours to see him try, because MoI and because that isn't just for me, its for the whole group.
My posting their interaction helps how exactly?

[GreyICE]

Stefan, it's more that I'd love you to go through and then do my work for me.

Because I think you'd see it's a convincing reason to vote MOI right there.

[StefanB]

Grey I have gone trough it.
I can make a wall, whit all the posts were they somehow reacted to each other.
They did but nothink out of the ordinary.
VOTE: MoI

I am interestead in the reasons why they can't be scum together. Searching the ISO three times and it gives me not on bit, that makes me pause.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI: When will you be on the computer again? Because I have look at both ISOs and I don't see anythink that can't be partners, exspecially if they have daytalk. (that is allways posible)

I will probably get some time tonight around 8 - 9.

Also since the rules don’t specify Daytalk scum would have to have an Encypter for Daytalk. And I am pretty sure they have a blocking role also. So in future days keep that in mind when assessing balance when claiming occurs.

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

Magna, are you town?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yes of course. But I think you know I would say that even if I was scum so hardly worth even asking, right?

You have made your stance clear Grey. I’m happy to make this 1v1 today even if I lose.

[implosion]

I think I like hoopla's argument re: the nightkill. The keely kill is really weird for basically one reason, which is that he doesn't seem to have had any really outspoken reads near eod. If MoI or GI is scum I don't necessarily think that they would want to kill the other, but I don't think a keely kill points to one of them being scum at all. It's a kill I can easily see being made with them both as town, especially if one or both scum don't know them well.

There's a lot of sort of straightforward reasons to think Piplup is scum. 979 feels scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons-y, and his reasoning in a lot of cases is extremely one-dimensional/easy to fake. Pieces of it actually remind me of i think my first scumgame on MS when I pushed someone for a long time for iirc purely "logic" reasons, things like "this person said something false." Those reasons are almost always bad reasons to scumread people and they're extremely easy to fake as scum and they are the kind of thing that scum will fake in practice.

Unvote

VOTE: Piplup

I really have no interest in subscribing to a moi/gi 1v1 right now. Still don't feel great about stefan.

[Saudade]

What's with your ongoing obsession with Stefan

[implosion]

What's with yours with flavor leaf?