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[Saudade]

He's scum.

[Saudade]

Now before you quote me and repeat the same, had you thought Stefan is scum you'd be voting him and not Piplup at the beginning of this day

[implosion]

I was voting him at the beginning of this day.

[Saudade]

Unvote

VOTE: Piplup

I really have no interest in subscribing to a moi/gi 1v1 right now. Still don't feel great about stefan.

[Saudade]

did I miss your vote?

[Saudade]

Ah, I did, I guess this is a fair exchange then

[Prism]

I missed my bus, walked 8 miles back home at 2 in the morning, then had my day 2 hours after getting back.

Sorry but I'm done, see you tomorrow.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Stefan

- these are how I'm making my read on Piplup and CoA not being aligned.

CoA and Implo are my locktowns
GreyICE is likely town too
Gamma is likely town too but waffle
Saudade is probs town
Hoopla and Keely give me headaches
Boon can get pl'd honestly its a good pl. Its either scum or does stupid shit like this.
VOTE: MoI

and um I think everyone else is irrelevant.

Can you explain your GreyICE read? I haven't really understood a lot of what he's been saying and I'm not really familiar with him as a player.

Hoopla and Keely give me headaches

Who is Keely?

Actually lets make my life easier.
If any one of CoA, Implo, and GreyICE has a read on {Hoopla or Cheetory} that can be explained with words please educate me, I will likely sheep right now if it sounds good.
Preferibly all 3 would be nice.

I'm gut scumreading Hoopla but apparently there's meta there that I don't know, waiting to hear from MoI on that. I prefer MoI as a wagon anyways.

In both of these posts CoA is interacting with Erika in a way to discuss reads and share information. I don't disagree that there isn't much substance here ... hell there isn't much substance to CoA's entire ISO. But it is in the nature of these interactions I don't see partner play. These are both very early on in the game. In general I don't believe that scum players will reach out and interact with each other directly in this manner at that early stage. It's establishing links between the slots. Maybe very experienced players who have a shared history and know each other very, very well might feel comfortable enough to do so (I'm thinking members of the SDC back in the day or how I think Tammy and I would operate as partners given how we usual work the same was as Town). But these two - no. There's no evidence that relationship exists. CoA would be risking lining Erika / Piplup right up for scrutiny if he ever flipped scum. And today seems to bear that out. I don't think Cult's stupid. He seemed very reasonable as Town in the Miss List 2 game we just completed. So my feeling is that Cult scum was trying to feel out a Town member who has similar reads to what Cult was trying to portray to establish a relationship for strategic purposes.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm really also at a quandry on Implosion. I backed off yesterday to re-assess but I can't for the life of me connect with his biggest people of interest being Stefan and Piplup given what I've written about why I don't think they are Cult partners.

Off to bed so maybe more time at a keyboard tomorrow.

[Piplup]

To note also where the flipped scum is.

Why is this indicative of scum rather than someone with bad reads? To further that point, why would I (after the lynch was achieved) read through and state the same conclusion as scum? It would have been an easy chance for me to reverse the read.

Does not really tell anyone what you thought about the scumflip.

I'll need you to tell me what you're missing from it, because I think it does.

Who is Piplup did he replace anyone

Noting this could be scum or extremely lazy town.

Flavor does look like a viable partner

Vote here.

Grey – I am ready and willing to 1v1 you today if you’d like. With a Day 1 scum lynch I think there is room to prove your scum read on me is manufactured even if it takes me being lynched as long as the rest of the Town sends you down the line right afterwards.

So, to be clear here. You think that Grey spearheaded the lynch on one of his partners when there were other options? To, what end?

I think it’s possible and reasonable for Scum Grey to do it. Hell I’ve seen it in action first hand.

Not sure why the “to what end” question given the answer is Town cred and getting rid of a boat anchor slot. That’s Mafia basics - you claim to be experienced elsewhere so just asking the question puzzles me.

Do you disagree that Grey is widely Townread today in part thanks to that flip?

Of course it's a possibility, and I do see the basic "to what end" but it just doesn't seem reasonable to bus a partner on day 1 when there are alternative options that could lead to you being town read and not result in a partner's lynch. I get the basics, but a mafia Grey is till going to have to suvrive and extra mislynch for small town cred.

*Lots of Grey/MOI things*

things like "this person said something false."

How should I evaluate players, then? When people don't do things that make sense for them to do, they come across as mafia motivated things.

Then a bunch of Saudade still not doing anything. Ok.

[Flavor Leaf]

I said uh scum scum, scummity scum, Piplup is super scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

They’re fence sitting with Saudade now and Saud/FL is a mislynch string.

[Flavor Leaf]

And just like the tattoo on my chest, it’s a triangle now. Mislynch triangle they have setup

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

Petty

Not petty, but done with your shit
Your entry feels like scum who are struggling to get into the game, and as a player who as scum has had that issue before I feel like I'm a bit of an authority on that subject

[Gamma Emerald]

The interaction between Erika and COA was paper thin. Paper fucking thin.

I remember the first game I played with you, you drove me nuts. It was ASOIF and I hated everything you posted. It was nonsensical, it was absurdist, reading it made my eyes bleed. None of it made a lick of sense. I didn't understand how someone could write so much and analyze so little.

Then I played other games with you and you became one of my favorite players. Deep thoughts, good analysis, really, really centered play that pointed out things I never thought of. Like things I wouldn't have thought of in a week of analysis. The difference was night and day. Or, if you will, green and red.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

Yeah no you need to describe how MoI is not playing like that if that's your argument

[Gamma Emerald]

Noting this could be scum or extremely lazy town.

there are reasons to scumread Saudade but this is not one

[StefanB]

MoI: First reaction is calling it bullshit. One thought of theory is react to your scumpartner like every other player.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=17289
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=18294

To older games where the scumteams reacted to each other. (First is imaginality/andrew94)
Second MoI,Coventry,StefanB

How was that so different.
Or:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23705
Here GreyIce and CuriousKarmadog
and Klick and CKD (Yes game was bastard)

have tons of interaction.
(Okay the last one is a good example how not to play as scum)

Or extrem example Mulch-Firebringer in the newly finished team-mafia, who spammed together a few pages on the beginning of the game.

Not exactly your example, but I don't those cases are completly different.
Those post didn't really establish a link nobody blinked an eye on them, so that is strange for me.

[StefanB]

Piplup:
The townread on Cult could be a bad read, but together with strange scumreads and having 3 players discripped as toxic but townreading two of them but wanting to lynch the third because toxic, makes those reads strange.
About your reads, I am not sure if you were aware of the fact that Cult was lynched at the moment of your replacement, so I don't know how genuie your reaction is.

About Saudade he was inactive when you replace in, the mod has not updated the OP, so that can happen that he missed it. Asking who the slot is, is a normal reaction.

Btw: What do you think as directly affected player about MoI/Grey?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Stefan - feel free to disagree with me but don't expect some isolated examples to change my opinion. Especially if one of them is a Mulch Firebringer pairing since Fire specifically always plays scummy when Town as part of his shit-posting style which benefits his scum games to the determent of the his Town game.

[Saudade]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

Petty

Not petty, but done with your shit
Your entry feels like scum who are struggling to get into the game, and as a player who as scum has had that issue before I feel like I'm a bit of an authority on that subject

hahahahahahahahahaha

[StefanB]

MoI: Interesting that you choose that example.
The games were not really random, the first was my second game on site, the rest were games that should have been easy for you.
One you played and were part of the scumteam, one were you were the mod.
All games have one thing in common, I was a player in them.
So it was not much work to pick them.

[Saudade]

I said uh scum scum, scummity scum, Piplup is super scum.

They’re fence sitting with Saudade now and Saud/FL is a mislynch string.

And just like the tattoo on my chest, it’s a triangle now. Mislynch triangle they have setup

what's this with the defensive tone once again Flavor
and what's this with me being a mislynch string with FL???


VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Well like I've said unless something changed about your tone you're going to be my vote for today for now

[Saudade]

Gamma is still dumb town
StefanB very relaxed despite being fosed by like 3 people stronk town
Flavor big scum
Implosion is intresting townlean for me
and all the other wall of text posters uhh uhh null

[Flavor Leaf]

This ain’t no defensive tone. Im all offense

I’m glass cannon right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Making your latest point completely moot


All offense! All the time!

Anyone who says I kept the same tone all game is just plain wrong