Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Flavor Leaf]

@Piplup - If Saudade is scum, I think you’d be town, but Ithink there’s a chance of Saudade just being newtown.

However, agenda wise, Saudade is scummy af, but I defend that in the too scummy to be scum, which isn’t really good.

I’d be willing to go Saudade over Piplup, because a truly least Piplup has some sort of seemingly town agenda. I just thought it wasn’t projecting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Saudade has like one scum read and fence sat the act of voting for ever, and then actions that didn’t even line up with his reasoning made him go the move.

VOTE: Saudade

That last move alone is what made me reanalyze everything. That’s a scum motivated move Saude played.

[Flavor Leaf]

ALL OFFENSE ALL THE TIME TONE SWITCH DAT

[Flavor Leaf]

I said uh scum, scum, scummity scum, uh scum scum scummity scum!

[StefanB]

unofical VC per hand because I don't know the program yet.

Flavor Leaf(2): Piplup, Saudade
Piplup(2): Hoopla, Implosion
Saudade(2): Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf
MagnaofIllusion(2): GreyIce, StefanB
GreyIce(1): MagnaofIllusion

not voting: Prism, Hiraki

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Saudade]

its universally amusing how you flip your reads based on your situation rather than the game Flavor

[Saudade]

Look at you over reacting to me emphasizing your defensive tone, you are nervous.
Why are you nervous? Because you are scum and I've caught you, that's all

[Saudade]

You see there's no need for wall of texts, apply pressure in certain areas and the scum will give themselves away

[Saudade]

Flavor I know you are there come back here and let me smash you

[Saudade]

Guess you ran away, fine boys good night

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, im not even nervous when i’m scum and I have a guilty on me.

And I always read off the situation. Scum have to react to situations, so when I read situations and analyze them, i can see where scum is.

Your push is incredibly fabricated and forced, so you are most likely scum based on the fact you aren’t even really trying to solve anything, you’re just forcing pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m at work, and can’t be on nonstop. i have down time but it comes and goes.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Grey - you might be correct on MOI. MOI made a pseudo push on me, and Piplup/Saudade are now also forcing pushes on me.

I could see MOI being scum with one of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Piplup likely makes more sense than Saudade. Saudade is probably just irritating aimlessly tunneling town.

VOTE: Piplup

[GreyICE]

Ugh. Reading Magna's logic, and it's unfortunately not bad. It's thin, but I see where he's coming from. In contrast, his setup spec is awful beyond all compare, he should be locked up for that sort of nonsense. But I'm not looking to block any lines of communication, so I'm not going to mock it too hard.

If we assume it's not Piplup, then this day just becomes obvious. FOS Scum, Vote Town.

Vote:Flavor leaf

[StefanB]

Flavor: You just make my head hurt.
MoI, too for the matter.
I wanted to post, WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NORMAL MOI.

In other news: Piplup has posted 1 in Stefan, Flavor and MoI.
That are good odds, but why do you think so, Piplup?
Resons for your read?

I think Saudade is reacting normal for a townplayer, who believes he has caught scum on day 1.
And there are some connections between you and Cult.
Hoopla has one, I have another, in both cases we had 2 waggons on the same strengh, in both cases she ignored the Flavorwaggon and reacted to the other waggon.

I think this is enough to see the conection and Saudade could have been right all along.

VOTE: Flavor

[Saudade]

I think Piplup likely makes more sense than Saudade. Saudade is probably just irritating aimlessly tunneling town.

VOTE: Piplup

guess you realized you'll get smashed if you go head to head with me so you decided to try ericas replacement?

[Saudade]

Your push is incredibly fabricated and forced, so you are most likely scum based on the fact you aren’t even really trying to solve anything, you’re just forcing pushes.

this followed by "oh wait nvm you're actually probably town lalala i take it all back"

???? no mate you die today

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Flavor

– so walk me through how the change from 1060 to 1063 is you reading the situation in 3 minutes when no-one else posts in that period yet you flip flip from Saud to Piplup scum. I’m all ears.

I want more from

Hiraki

on why he wants the players he wants today.

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MoI: Interesting that you choose that example.
The games were not really random, the first was my second game on site, the rest were games that should have been easy for you.
One you played and were part of the scumteam, one were you were the mod.
All games have one thing in common, I was a player in them.
So it was not much work to pick them.

I don’t care the process you used when you are talking about four games as if that small selection is representative of the site as a whole. I especially don’t care that you selected a group of games that only you played in. I can find tons of examples to counter yours if I cared to put in the time.

So yeah – what is the point of this exercise again? You’ve selected some games that have disparate elements from CoA / Erika – Grey is an above average scum player. I am an above average scum player. Fire is a borderline game-throwing Town player to make sure he can screw around as scum and have people go “Oh that is just how Fire plays you can’t scum read him for it”. Those do not parallel Cult and Erika closely at all.

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In contrast, his setup spec is awful beyond all compare, he should be locked up for that sort of nonsense. But I'm not looking to block any lines of communication, so I'm not going to mock it too har

Well I’d argue that it isn’t really set-up spec since Stefan was the one who brought up how likely Daytalk is and needed to be reminded of Normal Site rules but … we can discuss this postgame as it really isn’t relevant to finding scum.

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[StefanB]

MoI: That response made more sense.
I still think that the interaction between Cult and Erica that you posted is null, but you seem to believe it wasn't.

Hiraki is VLA until monday, we will see some phoneposting until then.
I would like to hear more from Prism, too

[GreyICE]

In contrast, his setup spec is awful beyond all compare, he should be locked up for that sort of nonsense. But I'm not looking to block any lines of communication, so I'm not going to mock it too har

Well I’d argue that it isn’t really set-up spec since Stefan was the one who brought up how likely Daytalk is and needed to be reminded of Normal Site rules but … we can discuss this postgame as it really isn’t relevant to finding scum.

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I think you're missing the key factor here, which is speculation about the scum having a roleblocker. As far as I understand it, scum roleblockers have dropped off significantly ever since it was shown that setups with a scum roleblocker were heavily scum favored. I don't think we should assume so quickly that they have one in setup analysis. While I'm not inclined to ignore cries of "I was roleblocked" completely, as it does happen, I don't think it's an excuse for everyone to have a get out of jail free card.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, well, I don’t care enough right now to defend myself.

Just listen to my reads after and look at the scumminess of who jumped on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

@MOI - just did, not really sure what.

If I was scum, I would be able to explain it. That’s my strongest part when i’m Scum, the ability to bs.

I just don’t have any interest in defending against people who dont look at logistics and just tunnel.

No matter what i would say would be pushed as scum, even though I have an inno.

[Flavor Leaf]

@MOI - I switched again based on this wagon composition forming.

Piplup, Saudade, Stefan has scum in it.

I’m town reading Grey pretty hard, but he could just be really good at coming across as insanely ignorant town. I’d bet on that not being the case, however if he is scum, good plays.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, it’s obvious where my inno is, but again, people aren’t good at comprehension.