I'll gladly wall-votepost anybody who says this is because a head ofIn post 249, Vartsun wrote:Come on guys, we've had 5 posts in the last 24 hours and 3 of them have been from me.
I forget, but if I decide to make a case on Vartsun, I'll find them again and let you know.In post 246, Voyc wrote:@Doom, about your vote on Vartsun on 148, could you point out which posts/logic you saw as shady on your review? You had been giving them some townpoints previously, so I'm curious as to what changed your mind then
In case she didn't respond satisfactorily, same as Lycanfire. She got in the lynchpool by not posting. She got back out by posting.In post 248, Vartsun wrote:That's not what I gathered from 70 and 75 in terms of a whole wagon.In post 245, doomfeathers wrote:It was a pressure wagon, at least from what I saw. Problem?In post 241, Vartsun wrote:This doesn't feel natural to me, and unless I get an explanation, then I feel like out of the multiple wagons so far; there's likely scum there, or at least,Voycis town.
There was almost no defense here for the wagon.
If you guys were pressure-wagoning her, why were you andBrassplacing her in your lynchpool?
No, it doesn't. So you pick a few things that stand out to you and focus on them. You don't have to analyze the entire game.I'm not saying more information is bad. But it doesn't make sense to have your attention jump constantly.
I didn't say "see through"; I said "see past". Don't try to analyze WIFOM. Just look elsewhere. That's pretty much what I did with Ausuka vs. you.Also, I'd love to see your magical solution of seeing through WIFOM.If there's any WIFOM you've already detected, maybe you should tell me.
Wot, you have a wagon? I think there's a VC coming up soon; I'll see then.1)You seem completely satisfied that someone, who I don't understand how you're reading anymore, has no believed impact on the game. You're both apathetic to us being lynched, and not receptive to our statements.
For the record, I read and analyze everything you (Vartsun) write. I may ignore arguments, but I don't ignore players.2)And yes, I'm saying us as inVarsoon/IBECAUSE WE'RE A HYDRA. We function more closely as one person than two. While you're discreditingVarsoonwith this statement, you're ignoring any weight I've staked in this game. This is blatantly anti-town.
3)What makes this worse is, this is literally what I've gathered in half of the playerlist's view toward us is. Which does not serve anything but to create dichotomies and unfairly undermine thoughts.
It would have saved ruining the game for about four different players, I think. And you have yet to convince me you'd flip town.I don't get the purpose of a policy lynch in general, and I don't know how autolynching us without taking an in depth look at our motives and reasons in this game are sensible.In post 245, doomfeathers wrote:That's my salt at everybody leaving the game instead of policy-lynching your slot (no offense to you personally).Taly wrote:This, right here, is why I'm questioning my earlier townread ondoomfeathers wrote:Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?doomfeathers.
I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.
Want to know what happens when/if Varsoon/I gets PL'ed? We're going to flip town. Another townie's dying N1, and literally nobody's going to find much resolution in their reads at 7p left, presumably a 5-2 setting.
Not good for the town.
Because I've done it myself as scum, and this looks just like it.I'm not sure why you thinkMylo'sreads are fabricated?
In post 200, Myloninja13 wrote:Ausuka is a solid town read for me, just consistent strong play.This read says absolutely nothing. Activity is a very weak reason; it's as though he's chosen who he wants to townread and then needed a reason to townread him.Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?
No reasoning whatsoever.brass is a town lean, but I dunno if there's a good reason for that. I've played with him before, and this seems like how he'd play as town?
Meta read. Yeah, whatever.doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.
Weak.HS is a town lean, for some good posts and not anything directly weird.
No information whatsoever.Voyc/skitter/Lycan are all meh for me. They just haven't done enough townie things, and some have done a few questionable things.
An apology, and then a statement that he's probably going to lurk some more?Sorry for yet again being a lurker. At this point, my town meta is going to be lurking
That too.Vartsun wrote:4)Mylo... I thought you'd be able to post more, and an explanation of your vote remaining onbrassbut he's a townlean?
Myloninja throws a few townreads, but refuses to actually say anything, is not pushing or even scumreading anyone, and actually still has his vote on a slot that has replaced out (and, as you pointed out, he is townreading). It's lazy, cheap, and scummy.
As stated.
I thought it was rhetorical myself.In post 33, Lycanfire wrote:What kinds if discussion do you want to have?
As stated. My reason for the vote was that I needed someone to vote for, and out of my pool, my gut and a quick glance said you were the scummiest.3)148, this wasn't a reason for a vote onme/Varsoon. You just placed a vote because you couldn't post more that night.
That makes sense. You don't seem the type to sit on it otherwise.Varsoon'sbusy right now, but I'm kind of holding out on voting until I speak and get in sync with him.
What did you mean by this, Vartsun? How do you know the game doesn't crib any mechanics from Paint Mafia?
In post 4, Vartsun wrote:VOTE: Myloninja13
I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.
...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.
Please ignore the fact that I have a hydra with Titus called Schrodinger's Mislynch. At the very least, it's not Schrodinger_Mislynch91 or something.
-V
wolfyIn post 5, Vartsun wrote:I also realize now that, to those who probably don't get the joke, this hydra username might be read as 'Vart Sun' which is kind of the saddest epiphany I've had in awhile.
The joke is that my main account is Varsoon and that 'tsun' is pronounced similarly to 'soon'. 'Tsun', here, also refers to the 'tsundere' archetype, which describes a character who is initially cold but harbors romantic feelings to someone else.
It's not like I wanted to be in this hydra or anything, you idiot.
-V
what
sensical, not towny thoughIn post 13, Vartsun wrote:Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?
-V
wolfy entranceIn post 16, Human Sequencer wrote:sup skitter
i don't remember were you scum or town in that newbie game
i could look it up but i'm lazy
tfw in a game that gamma emerald is also in and can't vote gamma emerald for rvs cuz he's the mod
what tragic times we live in
VOTE: vartsun
hydra means confscum
ah, i get it nowIn post 18, Ausuka wrote:As far as I can tell, HS was the biggest wagon.In post 13, Vartsun wrote:Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?
-V
He looks as though he's trying to find a reason to townread Vartsun. He seems unable to make any gut read or impression of him. That's exactly how I feel about my partners as scum.In post 200, Myloninja13 wrote:Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?
Engages Myloninja with a vote, but no actual question or anything to help the game along, unlike his interactions with everyone else. Rather, he finds joke reasons to dislike him without finding him scummy.In post 4, Vartsun wrote:VOTE: Myloninja13
I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.
...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.
Not really evidence either way, but probably relevant somewhere.
These last two, he was not pushing Myloninja, not demanding anything of him, but just kind of tossing questions to engage a little. It could be because of Mylo's lack of anything to analyze, but the tone seems weird.In post 37, Vartsun wrote:Do you have any questions to ask?In post 31, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.
VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.
Relying on similarities between my behavior and his for a townread? Why would that be necessary, especially when he shouldn't know for sure that I'm town anyway?I'm assuming you don't see a similarity indoomfeathers'approach to this game, tomine/Varsoon'sapproach, as whatMylomay see. Is your vote onVarsoon/Iserious?
Still nice and gentle. I think he slams some other players later on for not scumreading Ausuka.In post 48, Vartsun wrote:It's actually far more likely to come from scum than town.In post 46, Myloninja13 wrote:I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.
Consider that we're two pages in and I've levied heavy criticisms on the slot.
As scum, not being able to defend there could lead to a very critical day 1 lynch that'd likely turn the game so hard in town's favor that scum would lose.
[@Ausuka]In post 50, Vartsun wrote:Also, isMylo'svote on you the only thing that's warranting a vote on him?
Point against my case, granted, though Mylo had no heat whatsoever at this point while Vartsun did.In post 94, Vartsun wrote:The fact that you're revoting this slot 89, while ignoring your light scumread onMylo((which I'd like to hear about, by the way))but states how wagoning is very effective for town, does not add up to me.
In post 125, Ausuka wrote:I think myloninja is scum. It feels like he's been picking on easy targets in 31, saying that the active players are townies and those who haven't posted as much (and are less able to defend themselves) are scum. This is made even worse by the fact that, despite his criticism of brassherald and Voyc for not posting much, he has been lurking more than anyone else so far.
Does not address Mylo's hypocrisy at all, but instead paints him as pushing for activity. This was bad.In post 126, Vartsun wrote:I don't think Myloninja is scum for trying to bring attention to slots that have posted less. If anything, we should be trying to get those lurker slots more into the game. I'm not entirely certain that Myloninja actually is saying they have a scumread on those players, but instead seems to just be trying to put pressure in those places.
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I mean, I get where you're coming from on that... but myloninja IS a lurker slot. He's contributed nothing, other than saying "We should vote for these other lurkers!" It feels really fake that he would push them for that despite him doing the exact same thing, especially considering that the game was so early on that these players couldn't really be lurking, in the traditional sense.
So there's a point in a pressure vote without pushing or a wagon? Your best defense of him still portrays him as virtually useless to the town, yet you still manage to townread him somehow. And the appeal to authority by experience is very faulty.In post 128, Vartsun wrote:I don't see where Myloninja is calling for OTHER people vote lurker slots, just that he votes brass for having 1 post so far.
I actually don't think there's much in Mylo's ISO that lets me read them either way. I'd still lean it more town than scum because their observations seem less like positioning and more like explaining developing reads, but it's reaaaal scarce in that ISO.
I've been playing (mostly) on this site for the last five years, fairly consistently. I am more used to the modding side of games, where the medium-to-large setups that I mod go to 100 pages, but I've played and run games where day phase has been very short. I was curious of your experience, because I'm not sure if you're coming from an informed place with lots of experience or just postulating based on what you believe to be the case, especially when it comes to things that town or scum 'would' do.
-V
In post 139, Vartsun wrote:Remind me whybrassherald wrote:VOTE: mylo
This is the third vote, it takes 5 to lynch so that means L-2Mylo'sthe best lynch to you?
Mylohas been on/off absent for about 2-3 days, so I don't see what people expect from voting them, or an elaborate reason to scumread them.
I can see your point on 46; but withMylo'sgeneral low activity, it does not seem AI to me, and it doesn't seem like a too-weird read given it was only on Page 2.
Interesting because it shows how he viewed that conversation.In post 164, Vartsun wrote:Actually, more on the 'minimizing reasoning on non-Ausuka votes' fiction; I literally had a conversation with Ausuka (around post 126) about whether or not Mylo's vote on you (brass) was legitimate, with me arguing for its legitimacy.
In post 234, Vartsun wrote:Can you elaborate a little on each?In post 232, Ausuka wrote:rn I'm thinking nero is town. I still like the myloninja wagon very much.
I'm curious how you came to these conclusions.
Vartsun consistently soft-defends Myloninja, never pushes him or brings him up, and criticizes those who find him scummy throughout the game.In post 242, Vartsun wrote:Of him townreading people and not voting? I don't know, he hasn't really provided much at all, but my gut tells me to wait here; I'm not willing to push him to L-1, at least not before him posting more.In post 240, doomfeathers wrote:Vartsun, what's your read on Myloninja? Would you be willing to join his wagon after his most recent post?
Taly Head Thoughts: Mylo'snull to me; activity is not often AI, and his most notable thing is that hisbrassvote is still on.
Questions to Mylo
1)Why is your vote still onbrassherald? He was noted to be replaced out 187, but your latest post was 200 Especially if you're townleaning on him.
2)How do you feel aboutNeroandDredd?
mindmeldIn post 28, Ausuka wrote:gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.In post 27, Vartsun wrote:Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
wolfy, looks lynchbait-y thoughIn post 31, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.
VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.
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disagreeIn post 35, Human Sequencer wrote:i don't like this postIn post 28, Ausuka wrote:gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.In post 27, Vartsun wrote:Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
openwolf?In post 39, Human Sequencer wrote:i can kind of see ausuka scum but i'm not entirely confident yet
VOTE: ausuka
might jump off down the line
In post 47, brassherald wrote:I'm here, I had to deal with a family emergency last night.
Doom looks like town to me so UNVOTE:
I definitely need to get aVC before I cast a vote in other places but Mylo in 46 seems to be hedging his bets on Ausuka, just enough to look like a read but also wiggle room leading off with "I think I'm town leaning". Like what the hell does that mean? It means no real read.
towny series of postsIn post 49, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Mylo
I decided to count on my own, and I'm sure this is neither hammer nor L-1. I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.
woah what is this voteIn post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc
oh lolIn post 269, doomfeathers wrote:I lean Ruby town.
You do know you're townreading the person you replaced, though, right?
wolfyIn post 270, Nero Cain wrote:I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.
In post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.
In post 68, Human Sequencer wrote:this is really badIn post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.
i take it back let's not do a voyc wagon
vote ausuka
this gels really poorly with your comments earlier about rvs wagons being good
like I can see a perspective for each side, "early pressure wagons are good because they generate informational and propel the gamestate forward" and "there's no point voting x because they haven't done anything scummy and there's still plenty of time left"
which makes me think you're haphazardly throwing fake perspectives around as you wish to fit what you need at that particular time
wait what the hellIn post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc
