Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Brian Skies]

Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.

Because...?

[Thor665]

Because he scumreads me, Panop, and Grey for "reasons"

[Hopkirk]

This was very much a sideways swapout for the Quick slot.

Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.
Tchill is a worse wagon.
Grey is a fine wagon.

I agree Tchill is a poor wagon at this stage - what's the beef with the Srceen wagon comp? It looks fine as long as you ignore the random and unsupported Grey=scum concept.

Grey/Pan scum and Thor possible scum.
Counterwagon to Pan wagon.
I like Screen's tone. Hang on a minute here.

[Brian Skies]

Oh right, I forgot he he was mad about you pushing him.

Kinda makes sense I guess if you think his main gripe with the wagon is the composition.

Still doesn't explain why he thinks Srceen is town.

[Hopkirk]

Can you explain why you townread PAn while I quote stuff

[Thor665]

This was very much a sideways swapout for the Quick slot.

Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.
Tchill is a worse wagon.
Grey is a fine wagon.

I agree Tchill is a poor wagon at this stage - what's the beef with the Srceen wagon comp? It looks fine as long as you ignore the random and unsupported Grey=scum concept.

Grey/Pan scum and Thor possible scum.
Counterwagon to Pan wagon.
I like Screen's tone. Hang on a minute here.

Yeah, beacuse 2-3 scum are on one wagon.

Also, Panop is a counter to the Srceen wagon - learn to note when a wagon picks up steam?
Srceen was, functionally, a counter to Tchill methinks - which you agree was iffy, so...?

[Hopkirk]

I’m not moving.

Now, I can see you still thinking that's scummy, but...

1. Has he done nothing else worth voting over since?
2. Why aren't you advocating for him if you believe in the vote strong enough to park on it while the rest of the game is clearly ignoring him as an option now (and, indeed, some are starting to town sort him while you sit there silently)
3. You really have no *stronger* scum read on anyone else for any reason? (<--this is the part making me curl my toes at your play slightly)

Is this toward me?


1: Idk. I’m 10-ish pages behind.
2: I did ask for their lynch. It’s not my style to make elaborate cases. I can’t do that. I see weird shit that pings me and I go vote it.
3: Not really. Brian pinged me earlier but I don’t remember why. I would have to iso.

VOTE: quick

What are you waiting for?
You've ducked explaining your deep reads, and now you don't want to weigh in on some sexy wagon competition?
This is the point you yell at me again for suggesting you're not helping town.

Haven’t ducked anything. You just haven’t read.
Tchill13 is probably town.
I don’t have an opinion on Maria.

I like how he interacts with following Quick (even if I like Quick), Interactions with Thor, and his neutral stance on MariaR.
Tone reads as pretty legitimate throughout.

[Hopkirk]

This was very much a sideways swapout for the Quick slot.

Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.
Tchill is a worse wagon.
Grey is a fine wagon.

I agree Tchill is a poor wagon at this stage - what's the beef with the Srceen wagon comp? It looks fine as long as you ignore the random and unsupported Grey=scum concept.

Grey/Pan scum and Thor possible scum.
Counterwagon to Pan wagon.
I like Screen's tone. Hang on a minute here.

Yeah, beacuse 2-3 scum are on one wagon.

Also, Panop is a counter to the Srceen wagon - learn to note when a wagon picks up steam?
Srceen was, functionally, a counter to Tchill methinks - which you agree was iffy, so...?

Three scum is definitely unlikely. Pan+one other is likely as a Pan counterwagon To make up numbers that feel kind of right, 40% you, 50% Grey, 80% Pan for flipping scum.

You forgot to explain why I was scum at any point btw I think? Might have missed a page or few somewhere though.

[Hopkirk]

I don't really remember which way around Pan/Screen was.

[Hopkirk]

I was using counterwagon in the (incorrect) useage of 'alternative wagon'.

[Shad]

I don’t have an opinion on Maria.

I like how he interacts with following Quick (even if I like Quick), Interactions with Thor, and his neutral stance on MariaR.
Tone reads as pretty legitimate throughout.

What's like, remotely alignment indicative about this person having no opinion on a player who later flipped wolf?

[beeboy]

It's a Shad! O:

[Spiffeh]

beebster pls come back and do things

[Shad]

It's a Shad! O:

[beeboy]

Always Town Now that Maria Flipped
Gorkington
Elli/Chara

Usually Town
Bins
Ausuka


So I think Maria's push on Gork + the aggressive 180 pretty much never happens on a scum buddy, I don't really see Maria trying to distance like that.
Elli/Chara never hard bus I think that literally goes against how both of them play as scum so I am pretty sure they are town here. Like Elli's scum play is just hope town kills themselves, when forced to make content he mislynches 1 more town then instantly dies as a result.
And I don't think Chara has the confidence in her scum game to bus Maria and hope to go deep as a result.

I think Bins and Ausuka are more likely to be town due to the really half assed push that Maria made on the 2 of them.


I kinda want to reread people's ISOs now and see how people interacted with Maria since I am only really basing this on memory and reading Claire's ISO.

[Thor665]

You forgot to explain why I was scum at any point btw I think? Might have missed a page or few somewhere though.

I didn't forget and did expalin it (unlike Srceen explaining his Tchill read and straight up lying about it while you quote it as a town interaction.
I'm not pushing you right now - if you want the case go find it, I'll agree with you that it's not worth much pursuit now, will disagree that it is worth pursuit then.
Spare us all the boredom of you losing a debate with me?

I was using counterwagon in the (incorrect) useage of 'alternative wagon'.

They mean really different things.
A wagon happening at a roughly similar time to a wagon you prefer is *not* a valid reason to dismiss it.

[Hopkirk]

Last interaction we had was me responding to you unless this is an invisible case.

@Shad: Not bussing or doing anything against it (in fact, being on a dead wagon while it happens) when it's starting, picking up speed, or peaking seems good to me.

[beeboy]

I haven't read 50% of this game and I don't really want to read 60 pages in all honesty.

Town
1. randomidget
3. Beeboy
5. Bins
6. Ausuka
7. CheekyTeeky
9. Shad
10. Gorkington
11. GreyICE
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
15. Spiffeh
18. Creature
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)


The Rest
4. Thor665
16. Brigand Vvulf
21. Nero Cain
- Would Vote
8. Hopkirk
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
17. Tchill13
20. Brian Skies


I feel like I am doing something wrong right now.

[Hopkirk]

I townread your entire would vote pool to varying degrees. Are your lists in order?
Why town Pan?

[beeboy]

I assume people are going to be opposed to my GreyICE read.
But I am not really sure I just town read him? I think his not reading his role pm is 100% a gimmick and I don't really feel like that's a scum gimmick. The thing is when playing a scum game offsite I once said I wasn't going to open my scum PT anymore and try and forget who my scum buddies were and Mulch literally went out of his way to contact me to say that wasn't allowed. And that doesn't really strike me as a gimmick.


Also I am pretty sure this is a town post especially the first part of it.

Happy scum is dead. Sad more people are fucking taking it as an excuse that not giving reasons is pro-town. Bad play remains godawful.

Vote: Screenplay

How is anyone voting Bins after this post?

can't tell if i wanna vote bins more cause she's easier to lynch or a stronger scumread then gork
but regardless
VOTE: bins

That's like a free pass to day 5 at the earliest.

[Shad]

I assumed the player was dayvigged and a wagon that far out from DL is ~meaningless independent of the content that generated it but I'd be lying if I said I read the OP

at all

thoroughly.

I dunno, foreign environment, will take a bit to feel you all out but "continuing to null read a wolf" while they were under mid-day pressure is super ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to me and seemed like an odd thing to read someone by.

[Shad]

Town
9. Shad

This better be based on my slot's old inhabitant and not something I've done in this game already lol

[Thor665]

Last interaction we had was me responding to you unless this is an invisible case.

I fail to see who had the last interaction somehow equates to lack of my presenting of my case - clarify?
Also, if you think ducking presentation of a case is scummy - could you describe your thoughts on Srceenplay doing the same/show me where you think he actually answered the question?
I think you get too tunneled on people who question you.

[beeboy]

I townread your entire would vote pool to varying degrees. Are your lists in order?
Why town Pan?

When I read Pan's posts I get a really strong feeling that they are actually trying to solve the game rather then just make shit up and go through motions in a way that really strikes me as genuine?
Maybe I should be focusing more on there actual conclusions and reads but I am not sure I am pretty comfortable with calling them town for now.


This is by no means an ordered read list. I just copied the playerlist and moved them into 3 pools.

[beeboy]

Town
9. Shad

This better be based on my slot's old inhabitant and not something I've done in this game already lol

Ye I thought Quick was town. Pretty sure no one is going to be basing reads off your posts for awhile.