Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Spiffeh]

Varsoon, you know how hydras work?!?!?!?!

You know that if one head is scum then the other one is too because they share the same role PM?!?!?!?

I've explained why I feel the actions your other head took are way more likely to come from scum than town. Thus, I feel he is scum, and since you're a package deal, you are also scum.

I don't need for you to justify play that wasn't yours, I'm explaining to others why your slot is the best lynch for today.

[CheekyTeeky]

I felt like his push on you was too opportunistic given the timing of everything. It's annoying me that I keep flip flopping on him so I would appreciate some help clearing his slot si vous plait.

What about the timing was opportunistic? Maria had just flipped leaving Tchill as the leading wagon, and since Panopticon was my second lynch choice after Maria and looked even worse with her flip, I urged people to vote there instead.

If you really want to sort me why don't you ask me questions or do something to make that happen? I think I've provided enough content to make you have an opinion one way or the other so idk how a basically naked vote on me is going to accomplish what you're claiming you want done.

CheekyTeeky I would like a response to this.

You don't get to be completely useless by parking and me without explaining why/trying to engage with me about your suspicions that you apparently have.

I've already explained my thoughts about it feeling like a set up. Whilst your case does make sense it just felt too easy.

I had my vote "parked" on you intending to ISO dive you and had no idea there wasn't much time left in the day. I think the reactions/lack of to my vote on you are also interesting. My vote has been on you for just over 12 hours btw I don't understand why you're making it sound like I've left it there all D1.

Why is TChill a bad wagon? What are your thoughts on Srceenplay?

[Panopticon]

I asked why the tchill wagon fell apart despite having 7 or 8 votes backing and I was literally hit with

Um if Elli has a guilty on MariaR you all should listen.

and then my next post is voting there, like
How the fuck
do you not

@Spiffeh : THEN IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME, AS A PLAYER, TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID FUCKING WRONG CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMENT
SO WHAT THE FUCK AM I EVEN SUPPOSED TO DO THEN?

-obserVed

[Panopticon]

Scum is the best lynch for today, I am the fucking worst lynch
Like holy shit have you not been READING
I am such a goddamn bad lynch for us today that if you lynch me today, the fallout that I'll have will be fucking Vesuvian.

-obserVed

[Shad]

Observed did you ever consider the possibility that wolves might see you as an easy target for a mislynch and we are not in fact all dumb villagers?

[Panopticon]

Yes, but any actual umbrage that I've levied against the people voting me has been either met with deaf ears or called as omgus flailing attempts.
Like fuck I feel suffocated.
I've got a case that both heads of this wagon agree on re: Hopkirk, who has been an outspoken person wagoning us all day
I really would like a lynch there
but noooooooo

-obserVed

[Shad]

Perhaps you should ask your other head to express that case because what I read did not really reflect the quotes you pulled to validate it.

[Panopticon]

It's clear from Hopkirk's interactions (or lack thereof with us) that his read on us is conjured from fucking thin air and randomly picked from a PoE pool because we're the lowest hanging lynch of the day.

-obserVed

IT REALLY SHOULDN'T NEED MORE ELABORATION THAN THIS

The quotes that my other head pulled illustrate those interactions and prove this.
But you know what people said
"lol no" and shit like that


-obserVed

[Spiffeh]

Why is TChill a bad wagon? What are your thoughts on Srceenplay?

I explained why I'm town reading Tchill here:

100 page day 1 and we're gonna lynch a "scum slip"

Laughable.

Here Tchill condemns people for voting Quick because of the "scum slip", and even holds his ground when pushed on it by none other than Panopticon, when Quick was really the only viable counterwagon to Maria at the time (Maria had 5 votes, Quick had 4). To me this makes it unlikely that Tchill is Maria's scum buddy.

I haven't really paid much attention to Srceenplay and I should probably ISO him. Probably won't do that this game Day though.

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.50- MANUAL

Panopticon (6)- Spiffeh, Brigand Vvulf, Hopkirk, The Worst, Shad, Ausuka

Srceenplay(3)- Thor665, Brian Skies, GreyICE
Tchill13(2)- Beeboy, Bins
GreyICE (2)- Nero Cain, Creature
Shad (1)- Screenplay
Bins (1)- Randomidget
Spiffeh (1)- CheekyTeeky
Hopkirk (1)- Panopticon

Not Voting (5): Town Gunner, Mafia Gunner, Centipede Syndrome, Gorkington, Tchill13
With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

WOHOOOOO 50 votecounts in a day

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand the townread. Are you saying Tbone avoiding the Quick wagon makes him unlikely scum?

[Panopticon]

Like, has Brigand Vvulf even done anything since voting me? No? Useless. Probably scum, followed by Hopkirk.
I think Spiffeh, Worst, and Shad are more likely town on the wagon.
I can't make heads or tails of Ausuka, but I lean it more scum than town.

-obserVed

[Spiffeh]

T-Bone probably avoided the wagon because he's not in the game.

But yes, I feel like scum would wait and see if the Maria counter wagon gained traction before commenting on it, but Tchill immediately called out the bullshittery of the people pushing it as a "slip" when it was one of the only things that might have saved Maria at that point.

[Shad]

Is there any way to display individual post counts in this game? Who is being objectively useless?

[Spiffeh]

Go to "Activity overview" in the bottom right corner under the page numbers.

[Panopticon]

Activity Overview, bottom right corner:
Quick Apr 15, 03:29pm Apr 22, 01:02pm 0 days 6 hours 346
Creature Apr 15, 12:16pm Apr 22, 06:29pm 0 days 1 hour 290
Centipede Syndrome Apr 15, 12:13pm Apr 20, 09:14pm 1 day 22 hours 205
Gorkington Apr 15, 12:12pm Apr 22, 01:17pm 0 days 6 hours 192
Nero Cain Apr 15, 12:00pm Apr 22, 07:05pm 0 days 0 hours 191
Panopticon Apr 15, 01:18pm Apr 22, 07:25pm 0 days 0 hours 187
Toranaga Apr 15, 01:45pm Apr 17, 01:22pm 5 days 6 hours 175
Hopkirk Apr 15, 01:14pm Apr 22, 02:41pm 0 days 4 hours 173
CheekyTeeky Apr 15, 03:18pm Apr 22, 07:24pm 0 days 0 hours 147
Spiffeh Apr 15, 12:48pm Apr 22, 07:30pm 0 days 0 hours 131
Brian Skies Apr 15, 01:20pm Apr 22, 02:45pm 0 days 4 hours 126
GreyICE Apr 15, 01:48pm Apr 21, 05:09pm 1 day 2 hours 120
Bins Apr 15, 04:03pm Apr 22, 06:28pm 0 days 1 hour 101
Tchill13 Apr 16, 11:01am Apr 22, 01:25pm 0 days 6 hours 94
Ausuka Apr 15, 12:02pm Apr 22, 12:24pm 0 days 7 hours 90
beeboy Apr 15, 12:04pm Apr 22, 02:35pm 0 days 4 hours 86
Brigand Vvulf Apr 15, 01:41pm Apr 22, 12:28pm 0 days 7 hours 83
the worst Apr 15, 10:20pm Apr 22, 05:58pm 0 days 1 hour 80
MariaR Apr 15, 09:19pm Apr 20, 04:40pm 2 days 2 hours 77
Srceenplay Apr 15, 12:05pm Apr 21, 03:12pm 1 day 4 hours 66
Thor665 Apr 15, 03:08pm Apr 22, 06:24pm 0 days 1 hour 62
Mulch Apr 14, 10:36pm Apr 22, 07:22pm 0 days 0 hours 56
Shad Apr 22, 01:14pm Apr 22, 07:28pm 0 days 0 hours 35
northsidegal Apr 15, 11:52am Apr 22, 04:11pm 0 days 3 hours 28
randomidget Apr 18, 01:43pm Apr 21, 04:42pm 1 day 2 hours 14
Ellibereth Apr 15, 03:49pm Apr 20, 06:15pm 2 days 1 hour 6
Chara Apr 15, 12:16pm Apr 20, 04:49pm 2 days 2 hours 3
tn5421 Apr 22, 12:24pm Apr 22, 12:24pm 0 days 7 hours 1

[CheekyTeeky]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75915&activity_overview=1

Loool ninjad

[Shad]

Also I would imagine the Tchill case is kind of player specific?

Like, I don't think I have ever seen someone get mislynched on a perceived slip multiple days removed from deadline in my life, precisely because there's almost always a reasonable explanation when heads cool and think it through.

I would say most? wolves will let it fester anyway because lynch bait is shiny and distracting? A more attentive wolf takes the initiative to be the one to correct it because someone's going to sooner or later so might as well claim that credit before a villager does.

I have no idea who Tchill is, just saying.

[Shad]

Go to "Activity overview" in the bottom right corner under the page numbers.

Nice thanks

[Shad]

oh wow yeah Creature is a villager lol

[Gorkington]

varsoon acting like this kind of makes me a little hesitant because it reminds me a little of advanced wars where he was equally ridiculously obnoxious about getting pushed and ive never seem him be like this as scum getting pushed

On this not I'm kind of annoyed that Centipede basically stopped posting altogether and Gorkington hasn't given any indication of his scum reads after the Maria flip and would like them both to rectify that

grey/pan/ausuka would be my best guesses but im not particularly confident about it right now
:/

[Centipede Syndrome]

Elli's been busy as i expected. i'm also unexpectedly busy.

also we're both townreading Panopticon from the last time we spoke. Gork's last post has the right direction.
~Chara

[Panopticon]

Holy shit don't remind me of that game where everyone was acting like I scumslipped because I fundamentally didn't understand the neighborhood faction mechanics, and the people who pushed that narrative the hardest were the bulk of the scum team that WERE IN THE VERY NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS IN. Seriously, fuck that whole D1 sideways, it was one of the most frustrating things I've experienced and I've literally had bombs dropped on the village I was living in.

If you're proposing grey/pan/ausuka, I'd say Ausuka.

-obserVed

[Gorkington]

youre being equally obnoxious here.
like.
if youre town and youre this mad, take it the fuck down a notch.

if youre scum, this is a super obnoxious strategy to get yourself townread.
please also stop if this is the case.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ehhh VOTE: Srceenplay not much of a loss if town tbh.