Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

BuJaber · Post Post #4975 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:49 am

I don't think it's that obvious today..
There's something like 6 candidates for lynch mark, shaz, joda, klaza, ran and me.

Those are not people everyone scumreads. Those are players people have expressed varying degree of interest in lynching today. I don't think any other name have come up except for just now joda seems to be suspecting joey.

Thor665 · Post Post #4976 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:48 am

What about you, do you have a preference for anyone?

Thor665 · Post Post #4977 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:49 am

I'm Joey - so Joda can come up with a better case

BuJaber · Post Post #4978 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:57 am

Yes my preference for today is mark or joda.
Since mark seems convinced shaz is SK and Shaz seems convinced mark is scum it makes sense to lynch mark first. If he is scum it clears shaz. If he is town it looks suspicious that shaz was so sure.

Chara · Post Post #4979 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:01 am

you forget that Gamma being town clears Shaz from being scum due to kill numbers.
sorry i've not really been around, but exams are nearly over. hi Thor. i'm upset Joey replaced out. :<

i want to lynch in Klazam/Joda/Ranmaru today but i'd recommend reading Joey's posts because he was doing a lot to try and eliminate who could be which scum.

Chara · Post Post #4980 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:03 am

i knew i was forgetting someone. marshy/pidgey. i need to get back into this game, my only good reads are townreads.

BuJaber · Post Post #4981 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:48 am

I mean technically shaz could still be SK if gamma is town and somewhere along the line some teams missed. I don't think anybody thinks shaz is scum. Mark thinks he is SK.

As for marshy and pidgey I was under the impression we are treating them as town just for now since A50 got flipped. Only if we don't find scum within 1 or 2 lynches and they are still alive do we look into them further? I know they could easily have killed a50 for wifom but there are definitelly better options for today's lynch.

Chara · Post Post #4982 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:56 am

if Shaz is SK, his read on Mark is pretty irrelevant, i think.

i'm not going to assume pidgey and marshy are town because Almost died, when Almost was, of the three, one very unlikely to be lynched. but i'm fine not lynching them today, especially knowing at least one

has

to be town, and my own indecision.

OnTheMark · Post Post #4983 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:43 am

In post 4981, BuJaber wrote:I mean technically shaz could still be SK if gamma is town and somewhere along the line some teams missed. I don't think anybody thinks shaz is scum. Mark thinks he is SK.

As for marshy and pidgey I was under the impression we are treating them as town just for now since A50 got flipped. Only if we don't find scum within 1 or 2 lynches and they are still alive do we look into them further? I know they could easily have killed a50 for wifom but there are definitelly better options for today's lynch.

In post 4978, BuJaber wrote:Yes my preference for today is mark or joda.
Since mark seems convinced shaz is SK and Shaz seems convinced mark is scum it makes sense to lynch mark first. If he is scum it clears shaz. If he is town it looks suspicious that shaz was so sure.

No it doesn’t.

Think for a moment and assume incorrectly I am scum.

This means that I would have had to have had a reason/end goal in mind to target Shaziro. I would have to have reasons for that in order to sacrifice my good standing. As scum my good standing is everything if anyone seeing my scum games knows. This means I would have to have a bonafied reason for believing Shaziro is the SK.

Regardless of what you believe my alignment to be the conclusion should be Shaziro is the SK and thus should be lynched.

VOTE: Shaziro

OnTheMark · Post Post #4984 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:44 am

In post 4975, BuJaber wrote:I don't think it's that obvious today..
There's something like 6 candidates for lynch mark, shaz, joda, klaza, ran and me.

Those are not people everyone scumreads. Those are players people have expressed varying degree of interest in lynching today. I don't think any other name have come up except for just now joda seems to be suspecting joey.

And Shaziro

He never pushed me until I outed him as an SK.

He is pushing me for his own survival.

brassherald · Post Post #4985 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:47 am

Wasn't Shaz pushing this slot the previous day, too?

By the way, I submitted my Qorld Congress choices and implemented a selection of Joey and I's super secret option from yesterday's World Congress.

My top choice is to name Taoism the World Religion, since it is the only religion we are assured is a Town Religion.

OnTheMark · Post Post #4986 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:50 am

In post 4985, brassherald wrote:Wasn't Shaz pushing this slot the previous day, too?

By the way, I submitted my Qorld Congress choices and implemented a selection of Joey and I's super secret option from yesterday's World Congress.

My top choice is to name Taoism the World Religion, since it is the only religion we are assured is a Town Religion.

Only after I pushed him.

The only comment he had towards my slot was I am beginning to see Titus scum

And then does nothing about it.

BuJaber · Post Post #4987 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:43 am

Mark I just find it really difficult to see shaz as SK here.
Not when he defended gamma so hard. Not when he claims he's out of kills.
But even if he is why on earth would we lynch him now without hard evidence?
Is he planning to holster every night and coast and then surprise us with a final kill?
If he isn't we easily catch him if there are extra kills at any future night.

It's not that I don't think you could be town, but you are one of two people (and me) that if scum can potentially flip either red or orange plus I can't see the town motivation for pushing shaziro now when they are definitely scum alive.

If you're town let's lynch joda or at least klazam or Ranmaru.

I just think it's a really bad time to go after someone who may or may not be SK, but we are pretty much sure he isn't scum. I could see it if maybe he could flip red here but considering we had 3 deaths day 1 he can't be last red.

Jodaxq · Post Post #4988 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:51 am

In post 4975, BuJaber wrote:I don't think it's that obvious today..
There's something like 6 candidates for lynch mark, shaz, joda, klaza, ran and me.

Those are not people everyone scumreads. Those are players people have expressed varying degree of interest in lynching today. I don't think any other name have come up except for just now joda seems to be suspecting joey.

Not Gamma?

I also think you're the only one who wants to lynch me.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #4989 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:51 am

Yeah if you're listing Joda as on the table I'm kinda on the list too

Jodaxq · Post Post #4990 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:54 am

In post 4977, Thor665 wrote:I'm Joey - so Joda can come up with a better case

It's not a case and I said outright that I don't have anything. It's paranoia based on my scum reads acting town. If the people in my scum pool start convincing me they're town, I need to look elsewhere. Unfortunately, elsewhere means I'm looking to people who I was pretty certain were town.
I've been in games where the very obviously super town player turned out to be scum. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here, but I would feel pretty bad if I had this feeling, it turned out to be true, and I didn't share it with the game.

Jodaxq · Post Post #4991 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:57 am

I see your argument, Mark. I just don't buy it. I don't think Shaz is SK.

Jodaxq · Post Post #4992 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:13 am

BuJaber, what do you doubt about my claim?

BuJaber · Post Post #4993 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:45 am

Joey had gamma as possible red?

I don't think he works as last red. That's why he isn't on my list.

Joda - it's not that I doubt your claim necessarily that makes me not clear you (Even though admittedly it is a claim that allows for convenient fake actions), but I find it weird how you seemed to be townread by a lot of people and I guess I'm just not convinced you've done enough for me to townread you. I suppose it is partly that your posts/reads haven't been memorable to me and so I failed to see what got you townread.
If one of your actions was backed up by somebody then I missed it.

If both you and mark are town then at least one of klazam/ran just has to be scum or the townbloc has some deeply disguised scum in it.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #4994 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:03 am

Joey didn't have me as possible red wat

OnTheMark · Post Post #4995 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:35 am

Someone talk with me about BuJaber I am completely lost on how to read him. Like I want to read him as town but I dunno?

marshy · Post Post #4996 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:08 am

>markvotingshaz

lel

marshy · Post Post #4997 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:11 am

welcome thor. i think klazams the lynch. what you should kno

- brass confirmed inno child
- gamma has been pushed by all flipped scum d1 i believe
- your slot and chara arent confirmed but hav largely been townread for the entire game. some ppl are paranoid about yall but meh i dont lynch either of yall today

i think thats it. theres more but id rather you reach your own conclusion. if you wanna help town immediately vote klazam

marshy · Post Post #4998 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:12 am

mark if shaz is sk why was there only 1 kill last night? if hes sk he pretty much outs himself sooner or later specially if we hit red

BuJaber · Post Post #4999 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:45 am

In post 4994, Gamma Emerald wrote:Joey didn't have me as possible red wat

I do't think he did but you said if I got joda/mark from the table I need to add you too so I assumed you meant joey's table and asked you if he did in case I missed something.