Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Something_Smart]

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

[Taly]

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

FOSing the entire playerlist when he:

1)

Asked no questions.

2)

Gave no defined assessments of who might be town to him.

3)

Suspecting the claimed doc.

Is not at all towny to me, personally.

But I'm thinking

texcat

is last scum.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

I don't think it warrants a townread either, but by PoE, I think

Shadpearl

is more likely town.

I don't entirely know your reads at the moment? I'm guessing you townread

Almost50

and... me, I guess? Is there a scumread you feel strongly about?

[Something_Smart]

I'm much more of a townhunter than a scumhunter, and having replaced in when I did I don't really think I could have any good scumreads (even if I did read everything).

So yes, the townreads are correct-- I townread you, and A50 is town by claim.

[Taly]

I'm much more of a townhunter than a scumhunter, and having replaced in when I did I don't really think I could have any good scumreads (even if I did read everything).

So yes, the townreads are correct-- I townread you, and A50 is town by claim.

I try to do a healthy mix of both townhunting and scumhunting, as we should because that's how town group together and gamesolve.

And

if

you agree with me and

Almost50

on our

texcat

scumread, then where's your vote? Are you waiting for

Shadpearl

and

havingfitz

to post?

{Shadpearl, texcat, havingfitz}

There's 1 town within these 3.

[texcat]

Almost50 is just about IC-level to me, to be honest.

There's no CC, there's nothing to suggest anyone else is the Doc, or if Almost50 is lying.

I just think Almost50 is still alive to create WIFOM, and scum wants town to suspect him for still being here.

It'd be stupid for town to even try to disprove/suspect/lynch Almost50 today, I'm entirely against suspicion on him.

Townhunting is just as important as scumhunting; and Almost50 is my most confident townread.

I agree with all of this. You admit that A50 is alive to create WIFOM, but you don't think that the kills were made to create WIFOM?

[texcat]

Taly, I guess you still think that Fitz is the SK?

[Something_Smart]

And

if

you agree with me and

Almost50

on our

texcat

scumread, then where's your vote? Are you waiting for

Shadpearl

and

havingfitz

to post?

For sure, and I'm just taking my time in general because I don't like to rush things.

[Taly]

Almost50 is just about IC-level to me, to be honest.

There's no CC, there's nothing to suggest anyone else is the Doc, or if Almost50 is lying.

I just think Almost50 is still alive to create WIFOM, and scum wants town to suspect him for still being here.

It'd be stupid for town to even try to disprove/suspect/lynch Almost50 today, I'm entirely against suspicion on him.

Townhunting is just as important as scumhunting; and Almost50 is my most confident townread.

I agree with all of this. You admit that A50 is alive to create WIFOM, but you don't think that the kills were made to create WIFOM?

Kills and keeping people alive always create some level of WIFOM; I don't see another reason why

Almost50

would still be alive then.

What do you think about the

Ausuka

-kill?

Taly, I guess you still think that Fitz is the SK?

Yeah, he hasn't done anything to change the nature of my scumread on him.

...and my standards for towny-play have been lowered by a lot since D1. A lot.

And

if

you agree with me and

Almost50

on our

texcat

scumread, then where's your vote? Are you waiting for

Shadpearl

and

havingfitz

to post?

For sure, and I'm just taking my time in general because I don't like to rush things.

And this, is why I'm comfortable calling you town.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

[Taly]

I'm giving it, at most, a day before I vote.

[texcat]

What do you think about the Ausuka-kill?

I think it's interesting that there was only 1 kill last night. I'm guessing that both scum and the SK went after Ausuka. You could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because they suspected Fitz, or you could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because scum wanted to make Fitz look guilty. I do note that Ausuka added me to their suspect list after Kop's flip. But I'm pretty sure she would be voting Fitz today.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I still don't know what to respond to. A50 said yesterday that his scum read on me was just gut. Hard to respond to that. And lol I've definitely responded more than Fitz.

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?

[Something_Smart]

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I don't think you've really given her much to respond to... it seems to me that the largest part of the case is PoE. And since I don't think that responding to scumreads on oneself is generally that necessary or productive, I don't really think anything of it.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?[/quote]
The question though is, why would he fake reads like that? It would deprive him of any strong direction to push in as scum while also drawing attention to himself.

And yes, I have seen weird reads like that come from town before.

[texcat]

@mod

Would it be possible to prod Fitz and Shadpearl please?

[davesaz]

Shadpearl and havingfitz have been prodded.

[Taly]

What do you think about the Ausuka-kill?

I think it's interesting that there was only 1 kill last night. I'm guessing that both scum and the SK went after Ausuka. You could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because they suspected Fitz, or you could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because scum wanted to make Fitz look guilty. I do note that Ausuka added me to their suspect list after Kop's flip. But I'm pretty sure she would be voting Fitz today.

So you're saying

havingfitz

probably killed

Ausuka

? Plus,

Ausuka

was suspecting both you and

havingfitz

, no?

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I still don't know what to respond to. A50 said yesterday that his scum read on me was just gut. Hard to respond to that. And lol I've definitely responded more than Fitz.

How about the fact that you've on every lynch wagon so far, and your reasons for voting people, to my knowledge, have been vague at best.

How about you give me your assessment on

profii

randomly voting and pushing you in between D2 with literally almost no prompt.

How about you actually ask

Almost50

on his scumread over you instead of writing it off as gut.

How about you do your own evaluations of reads right now, considering you seem to have been wrong on who's scum most of this game.

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?

Exactly.

Havingfitz

is scum and you are the final scum to me, and nothing's really changed that.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I don't think you've really given her much to respond to... it seems to me that the largest part of the case is PoE. And since I don't think that responding to scumreads on oneself is generally that necessary or productive, I don't really think anything of it.

Responding to someone's scumread IS productive. It gives valuable information pre and post flip that help deduce other people's alignments, imo.

And yeah, I feel like there's plenty of stuff for

texcat

to respond to.

1)

Why did she vote a claimed doc

2)

What was the point of this? 21 A little talk with

JaydragonKing

that didn't resolve anything?

3)

Oh look, 108, the mislynch-bait vote.

4)

620 and 621

texcat

unvotes, and immediately

JayDragonKing

votes for no reason; but he revotes for no reason again. 626

5)

694 - she wants to hammer a claimed doc.

6)

754 - I dare her to say I'm still her SK guess.

7)

794 - she never really commented on the selfvote when she decided to 'leave' it.

8)

844 - Like most of the time in this game,

texcat

only really forms a stance and vote when someone prompts her, only.

9)

899 - Weak handwave dismiss of

profii's

case on her.

10)

919 - Says that

profii and JaydragonKing

are connected; but provides no associative between them as a scumteam, and just says that

profii

is scum while not looking at the possibility he could've been SK.

11)

1117 - Seems to believe there's no chance at all of an NK on

Shadpearl

12)

1240 - Do I need to elaborate here? Her tune quickly shifts to - likely bussing - profii, and she's stating that 1 group of scum know what's going on and are happy? Does this really come out of town's mouth?

13)

1295 - Her PoE has no reasoning behind it.

The question though is, why would he fake reads like that? It would deprive him of any strong direction to push in as scum while also drawing attention to himself.

And yes, I have seen weird reads like that come from town before.

Because

havingfitz

thinks by being so apathetic and antitown, nobody's going to scumread him even though he seems to not give a damn about town winning this game.

Shadpearl and havingfitz have been prodded.

If a replacement comes in, my starting-to-grow apathy is going to double.

VOTE: texcat

How I'm voting right now:

1)

Voting the wagon with who I believe is town on it.

2)

Voting the scumread with the highest wagon.

[Taly]

UGH. FUCK.

-_- There's only 3 votes between

Almost50, myself, and Something_Smart

; but if

havingfitz

and

Shadpearl

is just going to fucking lurk out then what's the point in voting

texcat

, even though this should be today's lynch.

[Taly]

LMAO

It would be so funny if I ISO'ed the entire scumteam in 365

[Shadpearl]

Hello. I'm very sorry. Please forgive my truancy. I will try to post later today.

[Taly]

Hello. I'm very sorry. Please forgive my truancy. I will try to post later today.

<3

[Shadpearl]

VOTE: Havingfits

[Shadpearl]

To put it simply, if I agree equally with the arguments on both sides, then my vote comes down to a coin flip. -But my gutread for Texcat's late-game posts is Town so Havingfits is on the chopping block...

[Taly]

VOTE: Havingfits

If it literally comes down to nothing else, then I'm OK hammering

havingfitz

, and I'll express intent prior to that.

But why am I not switching votes at the moment?

Shadpearl

Lynching

havingfitz

before

texcat

is being mean to

Almost50!Doc

.

We are not being mean to the

IC

.

Town needs to consolidate.

Plus, if

havingfitz

is VLA and is SK, it'd be funny to see that he doesn't catch the deadline to shoot someone. XD

I mean, it could be a possibility on why we've only had 1 NK on N2/N4.

[Taly]

Eh... :/ I'm trying not be being tunnel-y again.

[texcat]

So much of this post is provably incorrect. I apologize about the length. The question I now have is about Taly. Is he just conf-biasing? Is he intentionally trying to get another mislynch like yesterday?

What do you think about the Ausuka-kill?

I think it's interesting that there was only 1 kill last night. I'm guessing that both scum and the SK went after Ausuka. You could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because they suspected Fitz, or you could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because scum wanted to make Fitz look guilty. I do note that Ausuka added me to their suspect list after Kop's flip. But I'm pretty sure she would be voting Fitz today.

So you're saying

havingfitz

probably killed

Ausuka

? Plus,

Ausuka

was suspecting both you and

havingfitz

, no?

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I still don't know what to respond to. A50 said yesterday that his scum read on me was just gut. Hard to respond to that. And lol I've definitely responded more than Fitz.

How about the fact that you've on every lynch wagon so far, and your reasons for voting people, to my knowledge, have been vague at best.

So? How is that scummy? Because I don't know who is scum? Or because I agreed with town? I was pretty adamant in my reasons for being on the Profii wagon (lol even if I was adamantly on the Shadpearl wagon for a while.)

How about you give me your assessment on

profii

randomly voting and pushing you in between D2 with literally almost no prompt.

I'm pretty sure I gave my opinion at the time that the vote was crap. It was Profii trying and failing to find a wagon.

How about you actually ask

Almost50

on his scumread over you instead of writing it off as gut.

I thought A50 made it pretty clear that he's in a gut read tunnel. He hasn't asked me any questions. He has not engaged with me. Plus he said early in the game,

texcat I always scum read regardless, and Jimmy hasn't been in the game to begin with.

How about you do your own evaluations of reads right now, considering you seem to have been wrong on who's scum most of this game.

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?

Exactly.

Havingfitz

is scum and you are the final scum to me, and nothing's really changed that.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I don't think you've really given her much to respond to... it seems to me that the largest part of the case is PoE. And since I don't think that responding to scumreads on oneself is generally that necessary or productive, I don't really think anything of it.

Responding to someone's scumread IS productive. It gives valuable information pre and post flip that help deduce other people's alignments, imo.

I agree.

When there is something to respond to

. I'm trying to show where you've gone wrong. There is nothing for me to show A50.

And yeah, I feel like there's plenty of stuff for

texcat

to respond to.

1)

Why did she vote a claimed doc

I thought this was obvious and without going back to look I thought I said at the time. I didn't believe the claim. Boon always fake claims. I thought that TGP would have claimed doc, if the slot was really doc. And then there was the self-vote that looked like a scum claim. I can't imagine not voting for it.

2)

What was the point of this? 21 A little talk with

JaydragonKing

that didn't resolve anything?

It was page 1! What was the point of anything on page 1??? You're really stretching here. And the point was that I didn't like Jaydragon saying that she was just going sheep.

3)

Oh look, 108, the mislynch-bait vote.

Yep, I voted Lalendra for lying about Creature's activity. Is that supposed to be scummy??

4)

620 and 621

texcat

unvotes, and immediately

JayDragonKing

votes for no reason; but he revotes for no reason again. 626

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. My vote had been on TGP, but I unvoted to wait for replacements. The vote in 621 was frustration at waiting. JayDragon's 622 followed mine, but was 7 hours later. Nothing was immediate in this part of the game. And yeah, JayDragon was scum, but if you're trying somehow to link me to JayDragon here, I don't get it.

5)

694 - she wants to hammer a claimed doc.

6)

754 - I dare her to say I'm still her SK guess.

7)

794 - she never really commented on the selfvote when she decided to 'leave' it.

8)

844 - Like most of the time in this game,

texcat

only really forms a stance and vote when someone prompts her, only.

I've explained my thinking on FlavorLeaf more than once. And I disagree with this characterization of me not taking a stance. My stance on resolving the Profii/Shadpearl claim was clear. I think my stance on Fitz was clear yesterday and again today.

9)

899 - Weak handwave dismiss of

profii's

case on her.

Weak handwave was all that "case" deserved.

10)

919 - Says that

profii and JaydragonKing

are connected; but provides no associative between them as a scumteam, and just says that

profii

is scum while not looking at the possibility he could've been SK.

You seem desperate to try to tie me to Jaydragon. But Jaydragon was not even mentioned in this post. This was me responding to a question from

you

about a possible connection between Profii and

Jimmy

.

11)

1117 - Seems to believe there's no chance at all of an NK on

Shadpearl

Huh? Is this the wrong post number? This post was me stating intent to hammer Profii before Profii's tracker claim.

12)

1240 - Do I need to elaborate here? Her tune quickly shifts to - likely bussing - profii, and she's stating that 1 group of scum know what's going on and are happy? Does this really come out of town's mouth?

Yes. Don't you think scum was enjoying Profii's tracker claim? This was me explaining to

you

why Profii's claim made no sense. Something you admitted you had overlooked when you later voted Profii in 1262.

13)

1295 - Her PoE has no reasoning behind it.

The question though is, why would he fake reads like that? It would deprive him of any strong direction to push in as scum while also drawing attention to himself.

And yes, I have seen weird reads like that come from town before.

Because

havingfitz

thinks by being so apathetic and antitown, nobody's going to scumread him even though he seems to not give a damn about town winning this game.

Shadpearl and havingfitz have been prodded.

If a replacement comes in, my starting-to-grow apathy is going to double.

This last statement I can agree with.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 5.2

texcat (2) - Almost50, Taly
havingfitz (2) - texcat, Shadpearl

Not voting (2) - havingfitz, Something_Smart

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

(expired on 2018-05-06 17:00:00)

[Almost50]

To put it simply, if I agree equally with the arguments on both sides, then my vote comes down to a coin flip. -But my gutread for Texcat's late-game posts is Town so Havingfits is on the chopping block...

Town? Who IS scum then? Me? The claimed Doctor? S_S? The Mathdino slot? The Slot that basically cleared you? Or is it Taly? The one who has been the Town MVP all game?

You, know what?? I'm withdrawing my TR on Shad. He

could

be the SK here, and that "thing" could be interpreted another way.

Let's talk hypothetical theory: The SK is technically scumhunting for Mafia. They would consider Mafia to be "scum" too. Actually this explains why I have failed to see fitz as a scumster except for PoE. I almost always SR fitz at some point.

So, I'm sticking with the texcat lynch here, and suggest you lynch Shad next if I'm the NK. Of course, if I'm not then I will push it myself.