Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Thor665]

Then he's dead if he's not the real killer, and we don't need to lynch him anyway? I don't get your point here.

My core point was to point out my opinion of the anti-town nature of you harping on no counterclaim as evidence of anything.
My secondary point is more conceptual - insomuch as I do see value in a lynch regardless, especially since it is preferable to lynch a scum than to lynch a town even if a scum will be shot after the town lynch.

I'm taking that as meaning that he's not hardclaiming his other abilities, which is reasonable since no CC or kill means he's conftown here without having to reveal to the mafia anything else he can do.

Like I get if he's town his play has been very weak but I don't think that's a reason to lynch him here.

I have explained (ad naseum) a scum case on him - at least pretend to be aware of it when you straw man my case into being 'he's anti-town'.

So you think he has hardclaimed the kill?
Because I don't see that - where do you?

[Thor665]

Literally all he did was ask 'who killed MariaR?' and hasn't denied that he did it.
By that logic;

Who killed MariaR?

Have I now hardclaimed Vig?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Srceenplay

Bins is probably right and her reasoning makes sense

[Spiffeh]

I think it’s weird that he’s straddling the line between “I don’t care about getting lynched” and “oh btw I’m this insane power role” implying he shot Maria

[Ausuka]

Then he's dead if he's not the real killer, and we don't need to lynch him anyway? I don't get your point here.

My core point was to point out my opinion of the anti-town nature of you harping on no counterclaim as evidence of anything.
My secondary point is more conceptual - insomuch as I do see value in a lynch regardless, especially since it is preferable to lynch a scum than to lynch a town even if a scum will be shot after the town lynch.

The point remains that there is no direct evidence contradicting the claim, and if he's scum, that will become apparent, because whether it be by CC or kill, town can prove his claim false.

I'm taking that as meaning that he's not hardclaiming his other abilities, which is reasonable since no CC or kill means he's conftown here without having to reveal to the mafia anything else he can do.

Like I get if he's town his play has been very weak but I don't think that's a reason to lynch him here.

I have explained (ad naseum) a scum case on him - at least pretend to be aware of it when you straw man my case into being 'he's anti-town'.

I'm not discussing the case? I don't remember a case, but I can read through it if you want me to.

So you think he has hardclaimed the kill?
Because I don't see that - where do you?

Elli you are acting real dense.
I wonder how Maria died?

I take this as a direct claim, because it basically is, and if he tries to weasel his way out of that, I will vote him.

[Spiffeh]

We have an hour left and still need 3 more votes

If this doesn’t go through I can still be on to lynch GI because he could still be scum here but I think this is pretty obviously a fake claim, especially with how Srceen conveniently disappeared after securing that GI had the majority of the votes

[Brian Skies]

I have returned.

I'm not fully convinced by the vig claim, however, Ausuka does raise a good point and one I was thinking when I unvoted:

Then he's dead if he's not the real killer, and we don't need to lynch him anyway? I don't get your point here.

I guess we could just lynch him anyway and speed things along? But regardless of whether I think he's telling the truth here, I feel like he's pretty much dead anyway.

[Bins]

you might not even get a CC cause deadline

i honestly don’t think vig is a huge loss for how scummy this claim is

[Thor665]

The point remains that there is no direct evidence contradicting the claim, and if he's scum, that will become apparent, because whether it be by CC or kill, town can prove his claim false.

That is certainly a stance to take.
Stop talking about lack of CC though.

I'm not discussing the case? I don't remember a case, but I can read through it if you want me to.

You suggested we were lynching him because he had weak town play.
I was correcting you.
You can add yourself to the list with Gork for 'people who say they'll look at the case but are lying and can't admit it' I'm working to see how many names I can get there before someone proves me wrong.
I wish more people were like me and would openly admit regularly that they skip and skim and thus ask more questions an ddon't make bold claims about what is or is not happening in the game.

I take this as a direct claim, because it basically is, and if he tries to weasel his way out of that, I will vote him.

That is swell.
Apparently I have now direct claimed too - it is awesome.

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.60

GreyICE(9)

~ Nero Cain(229), Creature(298), Hopkirk(204), Tchill13(97), Srceenplay(85), Ausuka(97), CheekyTeeky(163), Brian Skies(145), Chickadee(414)

Srceenplay(8)

~ Thor665(91), Bins(125), The Worst(111), Brigand Vvulf(99), Panopticon(202), Centipede Syndrome(232), Gorkington(247), Spiffeh(153)

Tchill13(1)

~ Beeboy(87)

Hopkirk(1)

~ GreyICE(156)

Bins(1)

~ randomidget(190)

Players dead: MariaR

Not Voting (2): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Ausuka]

I take this as a direct claim, because it basically is, and if he tries to weasel his way out of that, I will vote him.

That is swell.
Apparently I have now direct claimed too - it is awesome.

the thing I quoted is not even similar to "who killed maria?" it's a sarcastic way of claiming.

[Gorkington]

You can add yourself to the list with Gork for 'people who say they'll look at the case but are lying and can't admit it'

read the interactions a bit.
really dont know why hes ignoring you regardless of what his alignment is, but im not really interested in driving the gamestate at this point so you get my vote at deadline if nobody pushes for a grey lynch. yay

i really dont get why youre busting my balls
when im literally on the wagon with you
supporting it right now
and have tried my best to read things during a fucking busy week.

im sure you can imagine what i want to tell you to do right now.

[Thor665]

I'd also like to clarify - that I am not counterclaiming (I will always counter with bullets).
But I wanted to go far enough with it to show that Auska is *NOT* looking for claims to damn Srceenplay the same way she was down with them to clear him.
Frankly no one was.
I was openly disbelieving the claim.
I did a "claim" in the same manner he did.

Who decided to run with that?
No one.

Utter bollocks.
Bad play or scum buddy right there.

@Gork - I probably am busting your balls. But am I wrong? Because if not...well, those balls can bear the busting, yeah?

[Ausuka]

I did a "claim" in the same manner he did.

no, you really didn't.

[Thor665]

I take this as a direct claim, because it basically is, and if he tries to weasel his way out of that, I will vote him.

That is swell.
Apparently I have now direct claimed too - it is awesome.

You're saying this isn't a sarcastic soft?

[Spiffeh]

Ok idk what to do

It looks like we're not going to get enough votes to push a Srceenplay lynch through, so if he's not lynched in the next 30 minutes I'm switching back to GI

[Thor665]

I mean, I'll agree.
But then I wonder why his is so obvious to you.

[Thor665]

It's cool Ausuka - I'll counter you with bullets too

[Bins]

i’m so upset dammit


lynch screen mmmmmmmm

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Srceenplay

[Spiffeh]

L-2

[Bins]

screen now has more votes so


all y’all late comers do ur job

[GreyICE]

Screenplay is more likely to be scum than me.

If I get lynched, don't mindlessly lynch screenplay tomorrow (like Nero Cain wants), lynch Hopkirk and tchill.

vote: screenplay

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.61

Srceenplay(10)

~ Thor665(95), Bins(127), The Worst(111), Brigand Vvulf(99), Panopticon(202), Centipede Syndrome(232), Gorkington(248), Spiffeh(155), Brian Skies(146), GreyICE(157)

GreyICE(8)

~ Nero Cain(229), Creature(298), Hopkirk(204), Tchill13(97), Srceenplay(85), Ausuka(99), CheekyTeeky(163), Chickadee(414)

Tchill13(1)

~ Beeboy(87)

Bins(1)

~ randomidget(190)

Players dead: MariaR

Not Voting (2): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Spiffeh]

23 minutes, we need someone to hammer