Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[OnTheMark]

Between that an world congress I don’t think scum have a shot in hell of success.

Like especially if this is a game I can mind meld with people on because while reads wise I am a bit weak, I got the shitznit on mechanics and I would love to mind meld with brass or Chara or you overnight alas I can’t

[OnTheMark]

HEAL: All stuff towards world religion taoism

[Thor665]

I will agree by the stage we have enough info to start trying to setup solve that lying about your role could potentially hinder us a bit.

Is that really the case on him in your mind then?
Because that seems super minor - and isn't even where we're at right now even if I accept it as major, yeah?

[OnTheMark]

I will agree by the stage we have enough info to start trying to setup solve that lying about your role could potentially hinder us a bit.

Is that really the case on him in your mind then?
Because that seems super minor - and isn't even where we're at right now even if I accept it as major, yeah?

An SK’s

entire

job is to survive. I am the

only

threat to that survival.

Shaziro doesn’t help with reads or elsewhere and says “I am the lynch today” because he has to. He has no desire to be protown or proscum. His survival is proscum so no scum will ever vote there.

Removing a guaranteed KPN is very much against scum’s wincon.

We just have to be smart about things and plan it out.

Take all the roles in existence get as much confirmation as we can. Force scum kills to go in certain places and mop up. It’s literally townblock 101z

[OnTheMark]

My concern which you are labeling minor is if there is scum in the townblock we lose.

Look at thing Mafia.

I point out scum in town block. Get ridiculed even by my own hydra partner. Die, town loses.

Elemental trinity BaeReed and I point out the scums after Transcend died. I got vigged. Town loses.

It may be minor to you but without a firm foundation we just lose.

[OnTheMark]

Pretty much it’s the same fucking pattern.

Mafia as much as I hate to admit it isn’t a scumhunting contest first.

It’s popularity first scum hunting second and that pisses me off.

[Thor665]

You've explained the issues with blind town blocks without addressing my question.
I feel like we're not connecting very well here.
It's frustrating.

[OnTheMark]

I will agree by the stage we have enough info to start trying to setup solve that lying about your role could potentially hinder us a bit.

Is that really the case on him in your mind then? Yes. I feel like people just don’t understand and label it something it is not. Shaziro I would be surprised if he told the truth at all this game.
Because that seems super minor - and isn't even where we're at right now even if I accept it as major, yeah?

See in line gtg

[Thor665]

My counter is 'your argument is based on an honest belief that he is a killing role and a question about alignment and shots, and number of shots is a minor enough aspect of balance if he's town that it is a debate that we'll be *well* aware of by the time we're getting to it as a question, and I personally think by the time we can setup solve alignment will be much clearer, yeah?'.

[Ranmaru]

I thought you just wanted me to re-state my case on Pidgey. I'll

try

to break it down for you in a way that you described. Might help to know what exactly you don't understand, though.

[Shaziro]

I literally never claimed one shot vig, I have always claimed 2 shot. Mark is bullshitting even harder now. How long are y'all just going to sit and be fed the bullshit before we lynch Mark for being very obviously scum trying to get me lynched?

[BuJaber]

Ok, I think I support a massclaim now tbh, but I'll go ahead and claim anyhow because NKA may just be useful here.

I'm Japan, hence my first post in this game starting with a haiku, and I have Bushido. I'm a vig. I shot Dunker, and I shot Kokichi.

Shaz claimed 2 shots.
Why can't he be town 2-shot vig?


Beyond that you agree that religion spreaders can be outed by mechanics so we will be able to deal with them later.

Shaz is easier to prove as SK. As soon as there is (living scumteams alive) + 1 kills in any night shaz becomes conf SK.

So he is either town.
Or he is SK that cannot shoot.
Or not even a vig but orange with gamma.

You think he is SK an a danger to town. Tell me what happens tomorrow if night 3 has 3 kills. Is shaz not and auto lynch in that scenario? So why why why why why would we ever let scum who we know are still alive get a free pass to lynch someone who Miiight be an SK that absolutely cannot kill at night or he is outed. Which goes against his wincon of survival. You are worried about an extra kill per night when that is not an option at all unless shaz game throws.

The only acceptable reason to vote for shaz today would be if you think he is orange with gamma here. And frankly considering that joda is also tied to gamma, the one to lynch would be gamma because he is connected to both possibilities.

By the same token townreading gamma means joda and shaziro cannot be scum.


Since you have never suggested that gamma/shaz are scum I assume you don't consider that possibility. Which is why I have a big problem with you going after shaz.

[BuJaber]

Yeah screw it he is ignoring me and chara when we question his logic too.

FOS chara for not freaking out more about him actually

VOTE: mark

[Shaziro]

Mark is literally outright lying about what I claimed and you are now trying to convince them that their outright lie is wrong. They -know- it is wrong, they are -lying- because they want a -mislynch- because they are -scum-. How can I make that more clear?

P-edit:

Spoiler: Me right now

[brassherald]

VOTE: Mark

[BuJaber]

My hesitation came from questioning whether a scum would actually push an anti-town lynch like that. It's incredibly ballsy.

[Shaziro]

As a side note, can the world leaders go back to discussing suggestions with us? I remember that the natural wonders thing was very clearly "Everybody gets some kind of boon" to me, and there are more town than scum so that is inherently townsided. Why has that not been brought up? These suggestions are kinda lame IMO and that one seems very good to me.

[Shaziro]

Suggestions being resolutions, my "I Can't Believe I Just Woke Up At 2" brain forgot the word.

[Ranmaru]

Mark, what is your read on me now? Why haven't you commented on me in a while?

[Gamma Emerald]

i don't think we're lynching Shaziro today, and i don't really want to.
the argument of removing an anti-town kill doesn't really work when one considers that SK Shaziro can't make any more kills, because he runs the risk of being outed.

Mark, this is the post i meant.

No he really doesn’t. You guys already believed him when he claimed vig to out of shots. (Notice he said shots PLURAL but for some reason is now claiming one shot vig) Like to me he already is outed and people blantanty going “meh” he is town simply for claiming his kill boggles my mind. I spent literally hours on a case and people don’t interact with it and it becomes “meh I don’t believe you” , it sucks all desire I have for this away and it would just feel wrong to not push outed scum.

when did he ever claim one shot?

[OnTheMark]

HEAL: Brass x3

The main reason for suspicious was the "soft guilty" on Gamma because Elbirn said something about Gamma and then died, and was a weak bodyguard. I think that soft guilty was blown -way- the fuck out of proportion, and it looks a lot more like Elbirn died to scum NK when you realize that I'm the one who killed Dunker. The only other suspicion on Gamma being scum is that the commuter claim might be weird for setup balance, which I disagree with. I'm 90% on gamma town.

VOTE: Caesar

Here.

I am the ONE who killed Dunker.

One who killed. One shot crumb.

[OnTheMark]

If he was going to claim multiple shot it should have been I killed Dunker. Not the ONE

[pidgey]

?????????????????????????????

[pidgey]

If i ever saw a grasp at straws, thats it

[brassherald]

So, are we arguing semantics now?