Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

Taking a break, and I'll come back to responding to Scioness later if there's interest (Is it worth it to continue responding to Scioness? I lowkey feel like no one is going to read it, and she won't be here to respond)

[ruru]

I mean your behavior right now seems super not town, but suppose you're town and you flip tonight

I think people will read it

[Mathdino]

People are more often lynched for being right than killed for being right

[Mathdino]

Unless they're me
In which case they never get lynched
Unless they call 4/4 scum in 15p
In that case they get lynched by 8 townies

[the worst]

GUESS WHAT TIME IT IS

[brassherald]

VC time?

Votecount 1.17

Oxy(5)

~ skitter30(68), the worst(321), Draynth(43), Sunshine13(50), pinturicchio(79)

Scioness Sajj(3)

~ Mathdino(198), ofrhz(138), AP(91)

Draynth(3)

~ northsidegal(82), Oxy(216), ruru(120)

ofrhz(1)

~ Scioness Sajj(81)

Players dead:

Not Voting (1): UglyDuck(54)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Scioness Sajj is VLA until April 30, 2018.

[the worst]

pls. c:

[skitter30]

I'm low-key beginning to wonder if I've read the oxy/math dynamic wrong, and that it isn't scum!oxy buddying town!math, but scum!math pocketing town!oxy.

@ruru - what do you think of this?

I could kind of see this although I think Md has been more towny as the deadline approaches whereas I would normally expect the opposite if he were scum I guess?

Also do you think Md posts the quote in 533 if he's scum and Oxy is town?

(Also I think buddying is not really scum-indicative for Oxy and I know he thinks highly of Md out of game)

A lot of math's recent posts are actually scum-pinging me; I don't think he's become townie as we approach deadline.

And it's kinda obvious that oxy looks up to math; I'm wondering if math is taking advantage of that.

I think that 533 was a fairly lazy townread from math on oxy given that it wasn't actually substantiated by oxy's action. And once you pointed that out, math said something along the lines that you might he right and that he'd recheck oxy's ISO, but he like never followed up there.

I kinda feel like he was setting himself up to be able to vote Oxy if that wagon had gained more momentum, and once the wagon kinda fizzled out, math's townread on oxy strengthened again.

UNVOTE:

I'm not sold on scum!oxy anymore, and I need to think this through when I'm more awake.

I think that there's likely one scum in math/oxy, but that they definitely aren't partners.

[skitter30]

@nsg: what do you think of math's read on you?

[Mathdino]

i would have more of a read if NSG actually decided to post

tinfoil theory is that NSG is purposefully not posting in this game for exactly that reason

i expect to die tonight.

[Mathdino]

do i have to respond to anything you post about me

it's just tedious at this rate

go metadive me or something idk

[northsidegal]

@nsg: what do you think of math's read on you?

nothing pinged me about it upon a reading.

i would have more of a read if NSG actually decided to post

tinfoil theory is that NSG is purposefully not posting in this game for exactly that reason

i expect to die tonight.

i'm kind of deliberately taking it slow here, full LEFT SHIFT should come out after some flips so i can see if i'm on the right track or desperately need to re-evaluate.

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

I'm not sold on scum!oxy anymore, and I need to think this through when I'm more awake.

I think that there's likely one scum in math/oxy, but that they definitely aren't partners.

i hope the follow-through on this blow my mind tbh

[the worst]

still working on oxy analysis
who wants to be my idea buddy?

my town game needs work but I've never been so invested in a flip honestly

[Mathdino]

i'm sufficiently annoyed with NSG's play so far

VOTE: NSG

NSG if i die scumreading you, you get lynched 90% of the time

post some content please

you've posted a reads list and not actually taken any stances or given reasons for shit

[skitter30]

do i have to respond to anything you post about me

it's just tedious at this rate

go metadive me or something idk

If there's something I particularly want you to respond to, I'll let you know.

I'd actually like to try to meta-dive you, but realistically that's not going to happen before deadline.

i hope the follow-through on this blow my mind tbh

I need to re-evaluate oxy in this context, but it's not going to happen before tomorrow night, sorry.

P-edit: what changed since ruru wanted to wagon her?

[the worst]

In post 1587, the worst wrote:
i hope the follow-through on this blow my mind tbh


I need to re-evaluate oxy in this context, but it's not going to happen before tomorrow night, sorry.

Understood, my post was extremely literal. I hope it's a good follow through

[the worst]

I'm trying to analyse everything Oxy has said about everyone and I'm up to 579 and very very very tired of it
I'll revisit later, but for now I am proceeding with his treatment of Math's slot. fmpov a red flip from Oxy near-clears Math

[the worst]

and the timing is fuckedddddddddd up but Mohab's post-replace chainsaw defence actually makes me strongly feel his slot could be partners with Oxy

[northsidegal]

i'm sufficiently annoyed with NSG's play so far

VOTE: NSG

NSG if i die scumreading you, you get lynched 90% of the time

post some content please

you've posted a reads list and not actually taken any stances or given reasons for shit

zzz can't respond in depth right now

[skitter30]

@tw: Yeah, agreed about red-oxy strongly pointing to green-math. I also think that red!math clears oxy.

I think that they're never partners here, but the pair has some really funky interactions that look like one of then is pocketing and/or buddying the other.

I really need to revisit this once I've had more sleep though to check myself and make sure that this isn't like some sort of caffiene-fueled conspiracy theory.

[northsidegal]

i'm sufficiently annoyed with NSG's play so far

VOTE: NSG

NSG if i die scumreading you, you get lynched 90% of the time

post some content please

you've posted a reads list and not actually taken any stances or given reasons for shit

I feel like my stances are pretty clear from my readslist. If you want reasons for something, just ask?

[the worst]

reading from oxy's iso and his interactions @ others he has talked to math like A LOTTTTTTT more than anyone else
like, to the point where it's ridiculous. on my sheet so far his math-interactions are nearly as much as everyone else combined
this comes from a place of admiration & buddying, not SvS

the flipside, from what I've reread from math it is not consistent with him trying to buddy Oxy
Math's game is consistent with him being town with less-than-Math-confidence reads

[northsidegal]

Draynth had a horrible opening (even this was enough for me to vote him), really poorly developed reads (not a comment on skill or anything, comment on apparent depth) and nothing changed that for me reading his iso.

Scioness is a meta / tone / soul read. I'm concerned the vla may be throwing that off on that which is why I'm still voting draynth, but I still think she's scum. I hope to reach a point in reading scioness similar to where rc was in reading me after my first newbie games and games after that. I'm not sure if i'm on that level yet, but I think I have perhaps a better position than anyone else for reading her, perhaps only mitigated by me replacing in instead of starting.

[northsidegal]

on my sheet so far his math-interactions are nearly as much as everyone else combined
this comes from a place of admiration & buddying, not SvS

"On my sheet"?