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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:15 pm

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In post 842, Ruby Red wrote:thoughts on what i've been saying about how his focus this whole day has just been the few votes on him and my scumread on him? how much effort he's devoted to discrediting that over actually scumhunting or having genuine conviction in reads?
tbh? I think you're too close to the issue and not stepping back to see the larger picture because you're invested in the current circumstances of the wagons.
I think both you and Kokichi are players that when pressured become irrational and 'hot' rather than cool. Both of you seem to get whipped up when you perceive that you are being attacked for reasons you consider poorly thought out or otherwise unjust.

His initial focus was off the votes on him, I think. I don't remember the vote state when he agreed with Dunn's opinion vis-a-vis your opening post.
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:18 pm

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In post 846, Zoronos wrote:
In post 844, Ruby Red wrote:oh nvm my mason buddy is the duck not una

still makes sense to lynch morality before una
There's the possibility that Moralty is just dumb, but I understand why you'd think that and I am also worried about it.
But at some level if I see a solid scum case for a player, I'm going to vote that player.

Morality pre-judging the flip based on scum-omniscience is possible, and I understand that, but there still exists a town explanation for his behavior.
no, it goes deeper than that

morality apparently has experience with una, enough that he can confidently sort him. if i trust him on this, then this means there's never a world in which una is a wolf while morality is villa. there are only worlds in which they're both villa or morality is wolf with either a una wolfbuddy or hard defending una villa. if you think una is a wolf, it mechanically makes more sense to lynch morality. on morality's villa flip if we trust his read then we can also take it as confirmation that una is villa. if morality flips wolf, then proceed from there.

4 permutations of two people being wolf or villager, remove the "una w morality v" permutation, there are two permutations of morality wolf and one of una wolf, and a morality villa flip can confirm una villa.
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:18 pm

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In post 847, the worst wrote:I don't care that you don't care about meta.
I know my slot's intentions but not why she went about them the way she did
Meta fills the gap
Cool. Wanna help me kill Una?
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:20 pm

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In post 850, Zoronos wrote:
In post 842, Ruby Red wrote:thoughts on what i've been saying about how his focus this whole day has just been the few votes on him and my scumread on him? how much effort he's devoted to discrediting that over actually scumhunting or having genuine conviction in reads?
tbh? I think you're too close to the issue and not stepping back to see the larger picture because you're invested in the current circumstances of the wagons.
I think both you and Kokichi are players that when pressured become irrational and 'hot' rather than cool. Both of you seem to get whipped up when you perceive that you are being attacked for reasons you consider poorly thought out or otherwise unjust.

His initial focus was off the votes on him, I think. I don't remember the vote state when he agreed with Dunn's opinion vis-a-vis your opening post.
it goes beyond the initial focus

i'm talking entire day, just focused on votes, not on sorting or pushing a wolfread

one singular wolfread right now at deadline, the weak af one on espeon
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:25 pm

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In post 852, Zoronos wrote:
In post 847, the worst wrote:I don't care that you don't care about meta.
I know my slot's intentions but not why she went about them the way she did
Meta fills the gap
Cool. Wanna help me kill Una?
Hmmm maybe
Want Morality's read first
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:25 pm

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In post 851, Ruby Red wrote:no, it goes deeper than that

morality apparently has experience with una, enough that he can confidently sort him. if i trust him on this, then this means there's never a world in which una is a wolf while morality is villa. there are only worlds in which they're both villa or morality is wolf with either a una wolfbuddy or hard defending una villa. if you think una is a wolf, it mechanically makes more sense to lynch morality. on morality's villa flip if we trust his read then we can also take it as confirmation that una is villa. if morality flips wolf, then proceed from there.

4 permutations of two people being wolf or villager, remove the "una w morality v" permutation, there are two permutations of morality wolf and one of una wolf, and a morality villa flip can confirm una villa.
1) I have no reason to trust that he can make that sort correctly. Morality flipping green doesn't automatically mean Una is also green.
2) I appreciate the mechanical reasoning there. I really do. But there also exists the scenario where Una and Morality are friends, Morality is just trying to defend una blindly, and is wrong.
I totally understand where you're coming from, I've been worried about a scum-white-knights-town scenario ever since Morality jumped in with the hard defense. But at the end of the day, I have direct evidence of una being scum and only circumstancial / associative evidence for Morality.

I'd lynch Morality before anyone in my town buckets, which, well, I'm not super happy with either wagon currently under consideration since as noted we've got two lynches from my town reads, but I'd rather active scum over maybe scum.
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 854, the worst wrote:Hmmm maybe
Want Morality's read first
Hows about you read Una and Morality and give me your thoughts.
It's a pretty quick set of reads, tbh.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:31 pm

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I have written it on my hand. It will happen. :)
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:39 pm

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Vote Count 1.12
Espeonage[4]:Kokichi Oma, Ausuka, Something_Smart, Morality[L-3]
Kokichi Oma[2]: Ruby Red, Mumble
Lapsa[1]: Dunnstral
Zoronos[1]: UnabombaH
UnabombaH[1]: Zoronos
Dunnstral[1]: Lapsa
MariaR[1]: the worst
Ruby Red[1]: Espeonage
Not Voting[1]:MariaR

With 13 alive, it requires 7 to lynch
Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-30 23:49:55) or when a lynch occurs
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:48 pm

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We're going to need to agree on something with these votes

What we have right now isn't working out

I'm not excited about an Espeonage lynch anymore
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:50 pm

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My two scum reads just got in a 1v1. Interesting.

I haven’t read in depth yet, and I don’t think I’ll be able to tonight, but I’ll be here before deadline?
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:51 pm

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I’m gonna try to come in a little later tonight if I get some time.
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:52 pm

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Koki's disappearance felt tactical.

Otherwise I got nuthin.

pedit: Morality how many scum do you reckon were in that conversation? First impressions?
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:59 pm

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Are you people kidding me? Kokichi sits as a non-threatened but leading lynch for most of D1, there is a last minute push (less than 2 days left) on a new wagon that grows steam.

I'm not a great player, but that super stands out. There is 100% definitive scum in the vanity wagons.
In post 852, Zoronos wrote:Cool. Wanna help me kill Una?
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:01 pm

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In post 862, the worst wrote:Koki's disappearance felt tactical.

Otherwise I got nuthin.

pedit: Morality how many scum do you reckon were in that conversation? First impressions?
Probably two. You and one of them. I’m voting Espeonage, but I prefer Ruby. I just want to make sure one of my lynched go through
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:24 pm

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Hey Espeonage, what is your read on Una? Scum or town or ?? ?
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:43 pm

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I'll go with ?? ?
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:05 pm

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Una obvtown, any intent to vote there today withdrawn

Morality is a null/nullscummy here, probably not liking his reaction to my entrance unless he wants to explain it further? :)
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:14 pm

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In post 867, the worst wrote:Una obvtown, any intent to vote there today withdrawn
Explain please.
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:31 pm

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tldr I'm mostly ok now for the last day
I bet Maria is scum this game
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:32 pm

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In post 858, TwoInAMillion wrote:
Vote Count 1.12
Espeonage[4]:Kokichi Oma, Ausuka, Something_Smart, Morality[L-3]
Kokichi Oma[2]: Ruby Red, Mumble
Lapsa[1]: Dunnstral
Zoronos[1]: UnabombaH
UnabombaH[1]: Zoronos
Dunnstral[1]: Lapsa
MariaR[1]: the worst
Ruby Red[1]: Espeonage
Not Voting[1]:MariaR

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the fact Lapsa and Dunn are cross voting is interesting let's give them there wish and vote in it imo
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:39 pm

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ok
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:40 pm

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I'd prefer Lapsa.
Don't @ me.
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:47 pm

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VOTE: Lapsa
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:50 pm

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I'm calm now.

I'm willing to patiently and perhaps thoroughly explain why I believe Kokichi to be the best lynch today.

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