Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Oxy]

oh. good.

no one hit her reset button.

You played scum with pin. He is town, yes?

[the worst]

You two are my top townreads and when I was half asleep your case was very convincing and you responded to my questions well.

We just wagoned a PR who's also a really strong town player

Given the information I had, I would do it again, but I still feel embarrassment because the result was anti-town

This could be a personality difference I guess? But like I'm not going to say something like "I was half asleep" after that to avoid responsibility

It's kinda weird

I'm not shaking responsibility, I feel really dumb here

I was on the wagon, I gladly sheeped. Retrospectively it was a good wagon but
1. based on reads I was probably past agreeing with, and
2. based on a theorycase which I didn't really take the time to parse and imo was formed on a misunderstanding


Deadline impending its easy to make bad decisions

Like I'm kicking myself here because town!Mathdino always runs up PRs, scum!dino would have spotted Draynth softs imo. But I did not think about this.

I was just a part of Mathdinoing Mathdino


If you want to read scum intent in my activelearningposting be my guest?? but you're gonna SR me most games

[Oxy]

@The Worst
What was the misunderstanding?

[the worst]

Math hunting for a VT vs PR claim not realising Draynth had been softing
vs
Math charging headfirst at Draynth for him to claim his specific PR, having realised he'd softed

[ruru]

oh. good.

no one hit her reset button.

You played scum with pin. He is town, yes?

I think so, but not really for that reason

[Oxy]

Good. I think so, too.

Where are you on uglyduck?

[ruru]

Well maybe somewhat for that reason too

But I'm actually not confident at all metareading him

[the worst]

Fmpov Ugly is one tier down from townblock, strong read there

[ruru]

Probably town

[Oxy]

because of the whole too dumb to be in day chat thing?

[ruru]

It's like, hmm not exactly that

It's also that some of the things he posts feel too nonsensical to come from someone with a strong scum game?

But I think it requires a strong scum game to give the appearance of trying to solve the game in certain ways that he did, like for example I had no idea what to do in my scum game because I didn't understand very well what I would actually be feeling if I had a town rolecard, only what I thought I would be feeling

[ruru]

Does that make any sense

[Oxy]

No - tbh, I haven't seen the nonsensical or the too dumb for scum stuff, personally.

maybe that just makes me bad.

The second half makes sense, though.

[ruru]

random thought:
In a scenario where Player A is Town and they are the majority for the Vig Shot -
a) If there is a Vig - Skum either can push the wagon on a player the field generally believes to be skummy, or they could push a different wagon knowing the vig will likely shoot Player A.
b) If there is not a Vig - Skum can either push the wagon on a player the field generally believes to be skummy, or they could push a different wagon hoping to Pursue player A on D2.

In a scenario where Player A is Skum and they are the majority for the Vig Shot -
a) If there is a Vig - Skum could either bus or counter wagon. But if they know there is a Vig and that their team mate is likely to be shot, why not bus for the town cred?
b) If there is not a Vig - Skum could bus or counter wagon. But since they know there is no Vig in this scenario, I still feel like they would bus because Player A would be the prime candidate tomorrow for a lynch and they would want town cred.

IDK, I am sure I am missing something that literally everyone will call me out on, but this has been my thought as of late.
Since our Vig Canidate did not get run up, it would dictate that whether there is or is not a Vig, that they are not Skum.

If there is a Vig, then they know it, then they push a different player and assume the Vig Shot Canidate gets killed a night.
If there is not a Vig, they know it, then they push another wagon to use the fact Player A is alive the next day against them.

This seems like an unbeatable situation - which makes me suspicious of whoever brought up the Vig (HURT) idea in the first place.

UNVOTE:

I don't think a strong scum player posts this

[skitter30]

That's the post that made me thing that if there *isn't* a vig, he isn't scum.

Like I just dont' see scum!him post about vig strategy like that and keep going on about it when they didn't put one in the game.

[ruru]

Like if you're UD and your goal is to convince people to lynch town how does that post convince anyone of anything other than policy lynching you

[the worst]

because of the whole too dumb to be in day chat thing?

He's definitely not dumb there's just a disconnect that I don't see his scumbuddies not calling him out on

Doesn't feel conscientious at all if that makes sense?

[the worst]

Like if you're UD and your goal is to convince people to lynch town how does that post convince anyone of anything other than policy lynching you

ruru you're great

[Oxy]

Playing DA for a moment:
What easier topic is there to fake content about than setup spec and theory? Scum have the same opinion on theory as they do when they are town, no?
Policy lynches aren't really a thing. Not_Mafia is proof enough of that. Would scum!duck really have been worried about that?

@TW What is the disconnect? I'm not trying to be dense. I really don't understand.

[Mathdino]

PRs don't deserve to live amirite

carry on guys

[ruru]

PRs don't deserve to live amirite

carry on guys

[ruru]

Playing DA for a moment:
What easier topic is there to fake content about than setup spec and theory? Scum have the same opinion on theory as they do when they are town, no?
Policy lynches aren't really a thing. Not_Mafia is proof enough of that. Would scum!duck really have been worried about that?

@TW What is the disconnect? I'm not trying to be dense. I really don't understand.

Okay he could be super next level scum but I do think he's significantly more likely to be town

And if someone here is super next level scum it's probably Sunshine and not UD?

[skitter30]

Playing DA for a moment:
What easier topic is there to fake content about than setup spec and theory? Scum have the same opinion on theory as they do when they are town, no?
Policy lynches aren't really a thing. Not_Mafia is proof enough of that. Would scum!duck really have been worried about that?

@TW What is the disconnect? I'm not trying to be dense. I really don't understand.

I don't know how to describe it better than 'I just don't think scum!him posts like that'. It feels too ... naive is a good word. Too out-of-it almost.

[the worst]

@TW What is the disconnect? I'm not trying to be dense. I really don't understand.

Sorry, I am rushing a bit.
When he discusses things with us it feels like a lot of his theory and opinions are coming out of left field

pedit: fuckinnnn skitter reading my mind again

[the worst]

PRs don't deserve to live amirite

carry on guys

are you impersonating a crocodile?
jaw wide.... waiting for your prey.....