Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

Sando · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:16 pm

In post 1999, Quick wrote:When I am confident someone is Scum they usually are because I am not confident people are Scum very often.

You were pretty confident I was scum...

Quick · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 1995, Sando wrote:
In post 1994, Quick wrote:They probably get replaced anyways. Why are you so firm on lynching lurkers? Surely you saw Mathdino's update right? Like extra time is probably going to be added to the Day Phase. I don't get why you want to lynch them in spite of that.
Note that I said that I'm not lynching "outside" of the lurkers, not that I'm pushing either lynch "firmly" as you say.

I'm basically saying I'm 100% not lynching anyone other than them whilst the lurkers continue to lurk. That is different from saying that I want to lynch the lurkers right naow!

Then why didn't you say that in the first place?

Quick · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm

In post 2000, Sando wrote:
In post 1999, Quick wrote:When I am confident someone is Scum they usually are because I am not confident people are Scum very often.
You were pretty confident I was scum...

I don't think I ever said I was confident you were Scum. Subtle, but it's different.

Sando · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pm

In post 2001, Quick wrote:Then why didn't you say that in the first place?

Jesus dude, actually take the time to read beyond the literal and try to understand what people are saying.

I said: "not lynching outside of the lurkers for now."

You decided to interpret that as I'm pushing for a lurker lynch. I never said that, I haven't tried to convince anyone to vote a lurker, all I said was that I'm not lynching outside of those people. You not understanding what I'm saying is YOUR problem, not mine.

Sando · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pm

In post 2002, Quick wrote:I don't think I ever said I was confident you were Scum. Subtle, but it's different.

Whatever, I'm not going to spam the thread with another stupid TvT fight here.

Point is, people don't believe your reads, as I said previously, you might want to work on that since in the rare case where you hit scum you're just going to get dismissed easily.

Oxy · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:30 pm

I believe quick's read, and pinturicchio's intentions are true.

Let's lynch Vivi!

Oxy · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:30 pm

sorry sando, it was just too good.

Quick · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:23 pm

In post 2003, Sando wrote:
In post 2001, Quick wrote:Then why didn't you say that in the first place?
Jesus dude, actually take the time to read beyond the literal and try to understand what people are saying.

I said: "not lynching outside of the lurkers for now."

You decided to interpret that as I'm pushing for a lurker lynch. I never said that, I haven't tried to convince anyone to vote a lurker, all I said was that I'm not lynching outside of those people. You not understanding what I'm saying is YOUR problem, not mine.

Why do you think lynching in the lurkers has a better shot at hitting Scum than lynching CJ?

Sando · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 2005, Oxy wrote:I believe quick's read, and pinturicchio's intentions are true.

You mean it's a genuine read from Quick or you actually agree with his reasoning for CJ being scum?

Oxy · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:03 pm

I think it's foolhardy to completely dismiss Quick.

I think this particular read is a good one to sheep Quick on.

I was already okay with a vivi lynch because poe.

I'm even more okay with it now.

Sando · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:26 pm

In post 2009, Oxy wrote:I think it's foolhardy to completely dismiss Quick.

I think this particular read is a good one to sheep Quick on.

Ok but why this one? Best I can come up with is "eventually he'll get one right via luck".

Oxy · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:04 pm

Call it a hunch, but I think that Vivi is the kind of player that Quick finds a good read on. And playing a game with someone is the best way to develop meta, so, let's go.

But more than that, I have a lot of town reads, and this is just about as high scum equity slot as we can lynch. So Quick's read is just icing on the cake.

Sando · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:37 pm

In post 2011, Oxy wrote:But more than that, I have a lot of town reads, and this is just about as high scum equity slot as we can lynch. So Quick's read is just icing on the cake.

I'm ok with this, but yeah again not particularly interested in pushing a lynch until the lurking is sorted out. I'm just totally over people refusing to play the game (sitewide), this day has a couple of pages to catch up on, I'm not gonna reward their BS with a lynch elsewhere until the BS stops.

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:56 pm

Lols I'm so slow. I can't believe I didn't get that.

If my little theory is right, Pintu can't be scum.

@oxy may we see how your PoE goes?

Oxy · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:42 am

Town
Oxy
pinturicchio
Alonzo
Quick
Sando
MOMOMEN

Not town
mutantdevle
randomidget
pisskop
Not_Mafia

today's lynch
ceejayvinoya

Alonzo · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 5:33 am

In post 2014, Oxy wrote:Town
Oxy
pinturicchio
Alonzo
Quick
Sando
MOMOMEN

Not town
mutantdevle
randomidget
pisskop
Not_Mafia

today's lynch
ceejayvinoya

Justify Momo over Devle?

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:56 am

In post 2014, Oxy wrote:Town
Oxy
pinturicchio
Alonzo
Quick
Sando
MOMOMEN

Not town
mutantdevle
randomidget
pisskop
Not_Mafia

today's lynch
ceejayvinoya

This... Actually makes sense. But choosing me over all of those on not town? You wound me.

Quick · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 10:46 am

In post 2015, Alonzo wrote:
In post 2014, Oxy wrote:Town
Oxy
pinturicchio
Alonzo
Quick
Sando
MOMOMEN

Not town
mutantdevle
randomidget
pisskop
Not_Mafia

today's lynch
ceejayvinoya

Justify Momo over Devle?

Yes, want to know this as well. Add Alonzo to the list as well.

Oxy · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 11:01 am

I think momo is town, and I thought he replaced into a town slot. I don't remember the details. It's been a while and this game is boring.

Alonzo · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 11:11 am

In post 2017, Quick wrote:Yes, want to know this as well. Add Alonzo to the list as well.

Why Cant you place me Quick?

Quick · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am

In post 2019, Alonzo wrote:
In post 2017, Quick wrote:Yes, want to know this as well. Add Alonzo to the list as well.
Why Cant you place me Quick?

Not sure. There are some "soft tell" that you are doing that tell me you are Town, but I have to contrast this with that I think some of the things you have done seem pretty agendaey. That would be why you are Null. Granted you and I are in late game/LyLo, I will probably be able to read you at that time.

Alonzo · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 11:41 am

I think oxy wants to protect the momo slot what do you think?

I think if Ceejay flips Red Sando could be red too.

Quick · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 12:02 pm

In post 2021, Alonzo wrote:I think oxy wants to protect the momo slot what do you think?

I think if Ceejay flips Red Sando could be red too.

First thing... Possibly. I haven't really seen anything Townie from Momo. I've only really seen them assume that they should be a TR which is not the same thing.

If Ceejay flips red (like I think he will) I might revisit my Sando read. It just sucks that no one else was seeing what I was seeing in their play. This happens a lot. It happened in Team Mafia when I went after Shea. Same sorta thing here if Sando is Scum.

Sando · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 12:19 pm

In post 2022, Quick wrote:First thing... Possibly. I haven't really seen anything Townie from Momo. I've only really seen them assume that they should be a TR which is not the same thing.

If Ceejay flips red (like I think he will) I might revisit my Sando read. It just sucks that no one else was seeing what I was seeing in their play. This happens a lot. It happened in Team Mafia when I went after Shea. Same sorta thing here if Sando is Scum.

Momo slot and reads of it have changed significantly today, I think it's worth simply ignoring it all around today and looking at it with more info in Days 3 and 4.

I'm happy to be relooked at, but this whole conversation is why we're not lynching with lurkers, because at the moment it's just causing town to point the finger at anyone talking while scum can just sit in the background and watch town implode.

MOMOMEN · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:07 pm

never bot hered logging into hydra but im kinda vla cause sick idk where kts is