Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[AP]

Oh. OK. SO the rules explicitly state there are no names on the cards. So what was that ability Ausuka had? What does it mean?

[AP]

And are you telling me you don't like AP?

[Brian Skies]

Like, PHUCK EVERYONE who says this is single ball. Ausuka's role says "Every night, you can target a player and

learn their alignment.

"

Now why would scum, need to learn of the alignment(s) in a bloody single ball with no SK??

Ausuka's first ability is "you can target someone to learn their rolecard,

including their name

". What name? My role card simply tells me I'm a villager, but I have no name.

This actually got me interested so I went back to read srceen's role, and he seems to both motivate AND roleblock the same person on the same night? This -to me- means someone has a strongman modifier to overcome the RB. Otherwise it's meaningless.

Maria's lie-detector was borderline on it's own. It could apply to single ball as a check on roles, but then it could be used in multi ball to find the other team as well.

So don't you dare assert it must be single ball here. Not unless the game was copied from another site and the rephrasing of the roles was poor and let some traces of the original game slip past proper modification.

--You are a

wolf

[redacted]
-Once per game, you can send me a link to a post someone made. I will tell you if it is a truth, a lie, or inconclusive.
-Once per game, you can show me a post where someone is claiming or CLEARLY hinting their role. To the best of my ability, if this is valid, or the part they are claiming is mostly/partly valid, they will die. This kill cannot be stopped in any way and will be marked as an anti claim kill. You cannot use this on a vanilla townie equivalent.
-Once per game, you can show me a post where someone is claiming or CLEARLY hinting their role. To the best of my ability, if this is valid, or the part they are claiming is mostly/partly valid, they will be vanillized. This vanillization cannot be stopped in any way, but they will be notified if they are vanillized. You cannot use this on a vanilla townie equivalent.

-You are a

wolf

[redacted]
-Every day, you can target a player. They will be motivated for the night (they can use one of their actions that night twice with the exception of a factional kill) and notified of this at the end of the day. However, they will be roleblocked for that night and the following day. For example, if you motivated someone day1, they would be motivated for night 1, and be roleblocked on night 1 and day2.

-You are a

wolf

[redacted]
- Every night, you can target someone to learn their rolecard, including their name.
- Every night, you can target a player and learn their alignment. The night results will be sent to a random player in the game at the start of the next day, in the form of "You have received a night result of mafia" or "You have received night result of 'not mafia'."

I don't 100% think this game has to be singleball. But I'm treating it that way because I don't see any reason why it can't. So until something happens that conclusively points toward this game being Multiball, I will consider any and all Multiball discussion as distracting and unproductive. It gives off an air that you're trying to seem uninformed, and I find it very scummy.

These are the aforementioned Scum Role PM's.

Maria claimed to be a Lie Detector, which is her actual role. This could both be a confirmable role and have protown utility. However, it also has proscum utility in that it allows the scumteam to vanillarize or outright kill someone who claims their role.

Srceenplay's role is a motivater. I'm assuming this is confirmable and seems to have protown utility on the surface. However, it's mostly proscum utility in that it also roleblocks its target.

Ausuka's role seems to be a combination Rolecop (usually proscum but could be confirmable) as well as Amnesiac Cop (also could be confirmable). Except the scumteam gets to choose the target, but not who receives the result. The name thing is weird, but could just be an indication of a named role, of any alignment, and not necessarily an indicator of another faction, and could quite possibly just be a red herring.

None of these indicate there has to be the existence of another faction and mostly just indicates that we shouldn't take a claim at face value.

[AP]

@Brian: I'm OK with this assessment. This much friendlier than your earlier call to lynch anyone who promotes the possibility to begin with. I think we can now agree that it's am existing possibility that you do not wish to pursue unless here's further evidence o it being the case. Yes?

[beeboy]

Sorry I'll check this game tomorrow.
I am going to bed now.

I don't think lynching me is optimal for ~reasons~ I'd rather say later.

Tbh Mulch not being on site killed my motivation to play this game. I joined this game because I like Mulch as a mod not for the playerlist, like I respect his decision but I am kinda sad he is gone.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not.

[Brian Skies]

@Brian: I'm OK with this assessment. This much friendlier than your earlier call to lynch anyone who promotes the possibility to begin with. I think we can now agree that it's am existing possibility that you do not wish to pursue unless here's further evidence o it being the case. Yes?

Yes.

Although I wasn't saying I would lynch anyone who promoted the possibility of multiball, just that I'd be willing to consider it.

[Thor665]

I'm not even campaigning for her lynch right now and I can tell you it's 'lurk and lack of impact in the face of actual town reads'.

I'm not understanding this.

When people have a lot of townreads, people who aren't overtly scummy but are generally useless become stronger lynch candidates than they might otherwise be.

I'm disappointed that I don't have anything strong enough to strongarm the lynch I want, but that is to be expected.

If you don't - then maybe it's not a lynch worth strongarming.

Sorry I'll check this game tomorrow.
I am going to bed now.

I don't think lynching me is optimal for ~reasons~ I'd rather say later.

Tbh Mulch not being on site killed my motivation to play this game. I joined this game because I like Mulch as a mod not for the playerlist, like I respect his decision but I am kinda sad he is gone.

Are Panop and Grey are having a competition to see who can sideline their vote most effectively today?

[Gorkington]

i think im leaning towards all of beeboy/cheeky/ap being bad wagon options right now.

brian should put together a hopkirk case and hit people in the face with it if hes really that confident that hopkirk is flipping scum.

kind of feel like greyice and panopticon need to get revisited.

spiff. if you havent thrown any kind of effort at this game by this weekend im going to assume youre lurking on purpose.

[Spiffeh]

Don’t tell me what to do

[Thor665]

kind of feel like greyice and panopticon need to get revisited.

Grey gets a pass from me this phase for being the Srceenplay counter wagon.
I agree with you on Panop, and if Grey doesn't change I'll probably agree with you again on him sooner or later. But I'd much rather flip Bee, Hop, and probably Cheeky before a Grey flip unless new info comes to light.

[Gorkington]

spiff why did you think you should be considered town because of what happened at the end of d1?
i get why you thought so for bins, but its kind of weird to lump yourself in with her when you didnt really hardpush for srceen in the same kind of way?

[Spiffeh]

Because I chose to lynch Srceen instead of GI when it could have easily swung the other way

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I chose to lynch Srceen instead of GI when it could have easily swung the other way

Weak.

[Gorkington]

do you feel like you should be at the same level as bins though when she was actively casing and pushing and poking people to vote for him?

[Gorkington]

like, the closest thing you have to that is telling tchill to hammer and by then no lynch/srceen was a foregone conclusion

[Centipede Syndrome]

I'm gonna lurk a few more days.

I'm going to observe a moment of silence for Mulch.

[Thor665]

I'm gonna lurk a few more days.

I'm going to observe a moment of silence for Mulch.

Mulch would want you to spam post in his honor though.

[Spiffeh]

do you feel like you should be at the same level as bins though when she was actively casing and pushing and poking people to vote for him?

Uh I guess not? I don't think it's a contest though

[Spiffeh]

Thor can be town for his amazing Srceenplay read. Still don't like that I can't sort Bins and Spiffeh so will look deeper into that.

I think Bins and I should be really easy to sort after what transpired at the end of the Day

But that's just me

To elaborate, this was mainly directed at Cheeky because she had garbage-ly been parked on me for almost the remainder of Day 1 after Maria flipped because it seemed like a "set up" or something?

She never really tried to engage with me while voting for me or explain why she was ever keeping her vote there uselessly in the first place.

So I find it a little odd that she still can't sort me, which makes me think that she wasn't putting much effort into reading me in the first place despite keeping her vote on me for so long. Especially after I was what I think was one of the swing votes that resulted in lynching scum the previous day.

And sure you could say that GI isn't flipped so it doesn't mean much or that I was doing it just so I could claim it for town credit but I definitely have enough content in Day 1 to make you feel some type of way about me if you were supposedly paying attention to me as your vote-park would indicate.

[Spiffeh]

Also, while I'm not V/LA, the next three weeks I'll be pretty focused on finals/graduation, so you shouldn't expect the same amount of engagement from me as on Day 1, but I'll try my best.

Luckily I been SO helpful and obvtown in the previous Day that my absence shouldn't be a problem

[Brigand Vvulf]

More beeboy votes please.

[GreyICE]

kind of feel like greyice and panopticon need to get revisited.

Grey gets a pass from me this phase for being the Srceenplay counter wagon.
I agree with you on Panop, and if Grey doesn't change I'll probably agree with you again on him sooner or later. But I'd much rather flip Bee, Hop, and probably Cheeky before a Grey flip unless new info comes to light.

Why is AP town?

Hint: He's not, but feel free to review things before answering.

[GreyICE]

More beeboy votes please.

Eh, sure, why the fuck not.

Vote: beeboy

Vig, please shoot this Anal Prolapse guy as fast as possible.

[Thor665]

kind of feel like greyice and panopticon need to get revisited.

Grey gets a pass from me this phase for being the Srceenplay counter wagon.
I agree with you on Panop, and if Grey doesn't change I'll probably agree with you again on him sooner or later. But I'd much rather flip Bee, Hop, and probably Cheeky before a Grey flip unless new info comes to light.

Why is AP town?

Hint: He's not, but feel free to review things before answering.

I squinted really hard and didn't see me claiming he was in that post.
So I don't really see the value of town casing him to you.