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jjh927 · Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:10 pm

Was this publicly established in day 2 or is Oxy claiming scum

Oxy · Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:11 pm

he was town read by a lot of people, though. No one was interested in lynching him. But no one admitted to seeing the soft, either, so

Oxy · Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:12 pm

That doesn't look like a soft?

I would have killed NK'd him for that post were I mafia.

Sando · Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:12 pm

In post 2125, jjh927 wrote:Was this publicly established in day 2 or is Oxy claiming scum

Oxy was the first to point it out, early D2. AFAIK no-one else noticed it before he posted it. Oxy has subsequently claimed not to have noticed it at the time but noticed it during D1 sometime.

Oxy · Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:13 pm

Ya. Noticed it when reading his iso

Sando · Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:14 pm

I think I was still on random, shouldn't be on JJ, so:

UNVOTE:

Can someone explain why PK/Fitz is a townslot?

jjh927 · Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:15 pm

Okay yeah pointing it out randomly makes it less likely to be from scum but I'll get to context when I catch up I guess

pinturicchio · Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:15 pm

In post 2125, jjh927 wrote:Was this publicly established in day 2 or is Oxy claiming scum

I still believe that was not a softclaim and that Oxy is wrong in that. Ex post analysis (knowing that the worst was a PR) makes him believe that that post was a softclaim, but it's a stretch

pinturicchio · Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:15 pm

jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

Oxy · Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:16 pm

It's not a town slot, imo.

That was korina's slot, and it had some ups and downs.

jjh927 · Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 2133, pinturicchio wrote:jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

??? Are you asking me to pick a song to describe myself?

pinturicchio · Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 2135, jjh927 wrote:
In post 2133, pinturicchio wrote:jjh, which song would you identify yourself?
??? Are you asking me to pick a song to describe myself?

Yes, sorry if the wording was weird. You'll understand this question when you fully catch up

Oxy · Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:17 pm

Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

pinturicchio · Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:18 pm

In post 2137, Oxy wrote:Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

Really? Where?

Oxy · Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:19 pm

Where? Hello?

"hm?

"

"CAUGHT SCUM!!"

Oxy · Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm

I didn't want him universally town read, so that he was less likely to get NK'd

jjh927 · Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm

In post 2137, Oxy wrote:Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

Wait, are you saying you were shading him so he was less likely to be NKed?

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Oxy · Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm

In post 2141, jjh927 wrote:Wait, are you saying you were shading him so he was less likely to be NKed?

ya

pinturicchio · Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:24 pm

In post 2129, Oxy wrote:Ya. Noticed it when reading his iso

In post 2137, Oxy wrote:Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

I don't get it. You said you noticed it when reading his iso, but now you're saying you noticed right off the bat and you threw shade on the worst because of that post. Please elaborate

Sando · Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:25 pm

In post 2140, Oxy wrote:I didn't want him universally town read, so that he was less likely to get NK'd

I dunno why I cop flak for "outdated methods" but things like this keep happening? Scum don't just kill the towniest person or locktown people, they PR hunt and in my experience they're pretty good at it. Source = have been almost universally TRd in all my town games since coming back and only NKd where I had medium-claimed Tracker.

Me and Quick are both significantly more TR than duckling was, he didn't need help appearing less TR.

People are so obsessed with these silly mind-games that town now really struggle to create any significant TR list, making scumhunting significantly harder.

jjh927 · Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:31 pm

Okay I ctrl Fed song in your iso, pintu, so I know what you're on about

Gimme Mr Brightside, it works if we're doing these like nicknames and the song's a classic.

Still don't think you're town at this point in the game, mind. If this is you placing me as town, how come you've done it so fast? I don't think we've played together so you shouldn't know my meta

Sando · Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:32 pm

In post 2145, jjh927 wrote:Still don't think you're town at this point in the game, mind. If this is you placing me as town, how come you've done it so fast? I don't think we've played together so you shouldn't know my meta

Me? Or Pintu?

Oxy · Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:33 pm

In post 2143, pinturicchio wrote:I don't get it. You said you noticed it when reading his iso, but now you're saying you noticed right off the bat and you threw shade on the worst because of that post. Please elaborate

No. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I didn't pick up on it in the moment.

I did go through the worst's ISO prior to calling him caught scum. I can't remember if there was a specific reason I was looking at his ISO, or if I was just reading different people, or what, but I noticed it because I didn't understand what it was in reference to, and I had to click back to the thread to see. It was an odd response to any of the recent posts, and the capitalization and use of the word know... I realized it was a soft.

So then that opportunity arose, and I called him lock!scum, and I didn't push for his lynch really at all. Maybe scum would figure they had a lock vote on him D2, and if they hadn't caught the soft...

p.edit the strat is good because it didn't cost anything, and it had a potential pay off. Are you insinuating that you now have to scum read more making that play, and THAT is why it is a bad play? Because that logic is quite circular.

pinturicchio · Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:34 pm

In post 2145, jjh927 wrote:Okay I ctrl Fed song in your iso, pintu, so I know what you're on about

Gimme Mr Brightside, it works if we're doing these like nicknames and the song's a classic.

Still don't think you're town at this point in the game, mind. If this is you placing me as town, how come you've done it so fast? I don't think we've played together so you shouldn't know my meta

Oh no no, I asked CJ for his song and I'm scumreading him. I want to know for whenever I decide you're townie enough. But of course, I think you're on good track

jjh927 · Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 5:35 pm

Uh, in my experience people don't PR hunt for shit and scum tend to target widely townread people or those with coherent viewpoints that keep the town from turning into poop. Especially both. Unless there's some kind of crumb that they've caught, in which case- sure. But I don't believe anyone can accurately tell the difference between someone's VT game and someone's PR game outside of crumbs

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