Star Wars (Spoilers)

zoraster · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:51 am

I'm sure Rey having parents who are Solos or Skywalkers is a

much

more original idea.

DirtyDishSoap · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 am

I mean, I'd probably accept that a lot better than a nobody that beats a trained Sith by Luke, then Luke himself in combat in a very short span of time.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:25 am

In post 449, DirtyDishSoap wrote:
In post 439, brassherald wrote:Plus Kylo Ren can lie about it *gasp*!
If you think JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson have any originality to them, or the capability to take a risk, you'd be dead wrong.

you seem fun

zoraster · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:36 am

In post 451, DirtyDishSoap wrote:I mean, I'd probably accept that a lot better than a nobody that beats a trained Sith by Luke, then Luke himself in combat in a very short span of time.

I mean, I think her early proficiency with the lightsaber was one of the weaker parts to TFA, but Ren was pretty grievously hurt and it had previously established she was generally a very good fighter. And I'd argue that the fight scene between her and Luke wasn't really a two-way fight. He wasn't fighting her, she was fighting him. This was as she confronted him about attacking Kylo Ren, and the physical was tied to the verbal/emotional component.

Anyway, why should she be some family member? Obiwan wasn't someone famous's family. Anakin (outside of sorta crazy fan theories) wasn't. Like... having everything flow through two families is pretty limiting.

hiplop · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:20 am

In post 449, DirtyDishSoap wrote:
In post 439, brassherald wrote:Plus Kylo Ren can lie about it *gasp*!
If you think JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson have any originality to them, or the capability to take a risk, you'd be dead wrong.

Last Jedi whether you like it or not is easily the riskiest star wars film ever made by a HUGE margin.

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:51 am

In post 454, hiplop wrote:
In post 449, DirtyDishSoap wrote:
In post 439, brassherald wrote:Plus Kylo Ren can lie about it *gasp*!
If you think JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson have any originality to them, or the capability to take a risk, you'd be dead wrong.
Last Jedi whether you like it or not is easily the riskiest star wars film ever made by a HUGE margin.

Agreed. If they had made TESB 2.0 fans would have been upset so either way there was no pleasing fans so the writers did the right thing to move the franchise forward.

Nero Cain · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:40 am

I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.

Ginngie · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 12:19 pm

how did the discussion even come up regarding her parents?

like

if they're never in the movie

they shouldn't hold relevance

idunno explain to me

Nero Cain · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 1:13 pm

In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter?

In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!"

Disney wants it to be a thing b/c idk why. Maybe it'll be some big reveal in some movie or something.

hiplop · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:05 pm

In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.

That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?

Kublai Khan · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:12 pm

In post 459, hiplop wrote:
In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.
That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?

Because.. then, why bring it up?

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:30 pm

In post 460, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 459, hiplop wrote:
In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.
That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?
Because.. then, why bring it up?

Because it obviously bothers Rey.

Nero Cain · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:59 pm

In post 459, hiplop wrote:What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?

nothing and I never argued that anyways so....

hiplop · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:16 pm

In post 461, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 460, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 459, hiplop wrote:
In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.
That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?
Because.. then, why bring it up?
Because it obviously bothers Rey.

It matters to Rey. Yea. Obviously it does. That means more than her being a Skywalker or Kenobi or some shit

Who · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:21 pm

In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!"

That role is already being filled by Snoke.

Nero Cain · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:42 pm

Who'd want t be Snoke? Dude barely got any buildup b4 being killed off.

Who · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:42 pm

He was the leader of the first order. And he was just some random dude who conquered the galaxy.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:43 pm

In post 461, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 460, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 459, hiplop wrote:
In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.
That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?
Because.. then, why bring it up?
Because it obviously bothers Rey.

Right, but Rey isn't a real person. This is fiction. Why bring up a mystery only to have it not pan out to something that advances the story or deepens a character?

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Thu May 03, 2018 5:32 pm

In post 467, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 461, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 460, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 459, hiplop wrote:
In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the "who were Rey's parents?" is a pretty boring storyline to me. Like why does it matter? I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!" I'd also thought about Rey+Ren being brother and sister making her Han and Leia's daughter.
That would be extremely boring and an awful choice.

What exactly is wrong with them being noone important?
Because.. then, why bring it up?
Because it obviously bothers Rey.
Right, but Rey isn't a real person. This is fiction. Why bring up a mystery only to have it not pan out to something that advances the story or deepens a character?

You're making assumptions, you haven't seen episode IX yet.

hiplop · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 5:13 am

In post 467, Kublai Khan wrote:Right, but Rey isn't a real person. This is fiction. Why bring up a mystery only to have it not pan out to something that advances the story or
deepens a character

It does literally exactly the second thing.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 6:04 am

You guys need more familiarity with Chekhov's gun.

Majiffy · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 6:51 am

Until the story is resolved you can't incite that argument

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 7:02 am

I think the point is that the PT and OT established that your parental lineage is an extremely important thing. Society has sort of implicated that if you are adopted or orphaned you shouldn't care who your biological parents are and that what you have should be enough, but Star Wars has created a strong counterargument to this through Luke and Anakins stories. Rey's story is currently not resolved so I don't think you can argue that the resolution is unfufilling.

hiplop · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 8:17 am

In post 470, Kublai Khan wrote:You guys need more familiarity with Chekhov's gun.

...no, no we don't. You do. The shot is that rey cares deeply about who her parents are. She thinks it's someone's special. It being no one means a LOT more to Rey than it being Luke or whatever.

Majiffy · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri May 04, 2018 8:56 am

In post 472, TwoInAMillion wrote:I think the point is that the PT and OT established that your parental lineage is an extremely important thing. Society has sort of implicated that if you are adopted or orphaned you shouldn't care who your biological parents are and that what you have should be enough, but Star Wars has created a strong counterargument to this through Luke and Anakins stories. Rey's story is currently not resolved so I don't think you can argue that the resolution is unfufilling.

Anakin's parents were nobodies, but this is definitely a Skywalker saga so it can go either way with Rey

Frankly I don't care one lick either way and it'll resolve however it resolves. I don't think it's unfulfilling, I'm just pointing out that your gun claim is weak at best considering an unfinished story.