Micro 798 - Splatoon Mafia - Game Over

Ruby Red · Post Post #259 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:19 pm

prepare yourself nerds

Ruby Red · Post Post #262 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:22 pm

In post 4, Vartsun wrote:VOTE: Myloninja13

I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.

...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.

Please ignore the fact that I have a hydra with Titus called Schrodinger's Mislynch. At the very least, it's not Schrodinger_Mislynch91 or something.

-V

In post 5, Vartsun wrote:I also realize now that, to those who probably don't get the joke, this hydra username might be read as 'Vart Sun' which is kind of the saddest epiphany I've had in awhile.
The joke is that my main account is Varsoon and that 'tsun' is pronounced similarly to 'soon'. 'Tsun', here, also refers to the 'tsundere' archetype, which describes a character who is initially cold but harbors romantic feelings to someone else.
It's not like I wanted to be in this hydra or anything, you idiot.

-V

wolfy

In post 11, Ausuka wrote:ok
VOTE: Human Sequencer

what

In post 13, Vartsun wrote:
In post 11, Ausuka wrote:ok
VOTE: Human Sequencer
Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?

-V

sensical, not towny though

In post 16, Human Sequencer wrote:sup skitter
i don't remember were you scum or town in that newbie game
i could look it up but i'm lazy

tfw in a game that gamma emerald is also in and can't vote gamma emerald for rvs cuz he's the mod
what tragic times we live in

VOTE: vartsun
hydra means confscum

wolfy entrance

In post 18, Ausuka wrote:
In post 13, Vartsun wrote:
In post 11, Ausuka wrote:ok
VOTE: Human Sequencer
Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?

-V
As far as I can tell, HS was the biggest wagon.

ah, i get it now

towny

Ruby Red · Post Post #263 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:22 pm

24 is wolfy

Ruby Red · Post Post #266 (isolation #3) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:28 pm

In post 28, Ausuka wrote:
In post 27, Vartsun wrote:
In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
Because...?
gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

mindmeld

you can be v

In post 31, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.

VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.

wolfy, looks lynchbait-y though

In post 32, Voyc wrote:
In post 30, doomfeathers wrote:Ausuka leans town too.
Why do you think so?

wolfy entrance

In post 35, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 28, Ausuka wrote:
In post 27, Vartsun wrote:
In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
Because...?
gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.
i don't like this post

disagree

Ruby Red · Post Post #267 (isolation #4) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:30 pm

HS probtown if vart is scum

Ruby Red · Post Post #268 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:31 pm

In post 39, Human Sequencer wrote:i can kind of see ausuka scum but i'm not entirely confident yet

VOTE: ausuka
might jump off down the line

openwolf?

In post 47, brassherald wrote:I'm here, I had to deal with a family emergency last night.

Doom looks like town to me so UNVOTE:

I definitely need to get aVC before I cast a vote in other places but Mylo in 46 seems to be hedging his bets on Ausuka, just enough to look like a read but also wiggle room leading off with "I think I'm town leaning". Like what the hell does that mean? It means no real read.

In post 49, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Mylo

I decided to count on my own, and I'm sure this is neither hammer nor L-1. I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.

towny series of posts

Ruby Red · Post Post #271 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:37 pm

In post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc

woah what is this vote

skitter v probably

Ruby Red · Post Post #272 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:37 pm

In post 269, doomfeathers wrote:I lean Ruby town.

You do know you're townreading the person you replaced, though, right?

oh lol

In post 270, Nero Cain wrote:I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.

wolfy

Ruby Red · Post Post #273 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:39 pm

In post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.

In post 68, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.
this is really bad
i take it back let's not do a voyc wagon

vote ausuka

this gels really poorly with your comments earlier about rvs wagons being good

like I can see a perspective for each side, "early pressure wagons are good because they generate informational and propel the gamestate forward" and "there's no point voting x because they haven't done anything scummy and there's still plenty of time left"
which makes me think you're haphazardly throwing fake perspectives around as you wish to fit what you need at that particular time

In post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc

wait what the hell

Ruby Red · Post Post #276 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:45 pm

In post 125, Ausuka wrote:
In post 121, Vartsun wrote:@Ausuka: I wish you could explain it better.
Who do you think is scum, at this point, and why?
I think myloninja is scum. It feels like he's been picking on easy targets in 31, saying that the active players are townies and those who haven't posted as much (and are less able to defend themselves) are scum. This is made even worse by the fact that, despite his criticism of brassherald and Voyc for not posting much, he has been lurking more than anyone else so far.

I think you're scum as well, because I feel like your push on me was very strong for weak reasons. The fact that you accused me of trying to push through a lynch on page 2, and trying to discourage activity, is scummy to me; I don't think scum actually does these things, and you accusing me of doing so this early feels far-fetched to me. You've also pretty consistently pushed me as scum for putting you at L-2 early on; and I have never understood that play, either. It feels more like a fabrication of a case than a real one.

yeah maybe this can be a wolf

Ruby Red · Post Post #277 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:48 pm

In post 142, Voyc wrote:
In post 94, Vartsun wrote: How do you feel about
skitter
?
I'm pretty unsure about Skitter, something's bothering me, but I'm not sure what it is
I can also see where her posts could be coming from as town though
Basically, I'm really not sure, a scumlean on her would be more a "if I absolutely had to say one or the other" one

In post 137, Lycanfire wrote: I have a pretty clear TR on Skitter just from the pointed questions she's been asking ("why brass over voyc?"). The worst thing she's possibly done is never interact with Ausuka while using one of their quotes as a defense. I noted in the Team Mafia tiebreaker that Leonshade whiteknighting GIF to his buddy was a safe play, which somehow turned into a blind TR of his buddy later on for no reason. Don't ask how we lost the tiebreaker. I suppose what I'm trying to say is this isn't super wolfy, but if Skitter is a wolf, Ausuka is a villager.

I'm really not getting how youre getting that association between Skitter and Ausuka?? Could you explain that again?
Also, would it be the same vice versa? If Ausuka is scum, Skitter is town?

Doomfeathers is seemingly suspicious of everything. Wanton suspicion is townie, but it's a house of cards deal. If you have so many concurrent thoughts how are you able to rationalize them all at the same time? At some point you have to make assumptions. Even uncomfortable ones. If the disparity is so great, it's absolutely expected to lash out at the people causing you dissonance and 'correct' what is wrong. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, I'd expect more questions and a lot more sense. I want a dancing bear, not a juggler.
Who/what are you expecting this from?
A town player? Doom? If you're expecting a "dancing bear" from Doom, based on what?

this can be v i think

Ruby Red · Post Post #279 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:53 pm

yeah i like stopped reading page 9

Ruby Red · Post Post #280 (isolation #12) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Voyc v
Lycanfire can be v for now
doomfeathers
Myloninja13 v
Human Sequencer
skitter30 v
Ausuka
brassherald v
Vartsun

where i'm at

thinking there's one wolf in Ausuka/Vartsun. doomfeathers looked surface towny but gives me gut pings. if there's a wolf in my villager reads it's lycanfire or voyc

Ruby Red · Post Post #281 (isolation #13) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:05 pm

so basically dredd's entire iso is just talking about how the wagon thing doesn't make ausuka town

i'm feeling there as the lynch

VOTE: dredd

Ruby Red · Post Post #362 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:09 pm

Ruby Red · Post Post #363 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:10 pm

two watchers in a 9 player game is fucking dumb, if they're both town then lmfao

jjd probs wolf though

Ruby Red · Post Post #383 (isolation #16) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:49 am

VOTE: kop

Guilty

Ruby Red · Post Post #396 (isolation #17) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:35 am

yeah, it's a guilty claim.

you can vote and i'll be the one to hammer if you want

UNVOTE:

Ruby Red · Post Post #398 (isolation #18) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:41 am

VOTE: kop

Ruby Red · Post Post #399 (isolation #19) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:42 am

faked that guilty btw.

Ruby Red · Post Post #409 (isolation #20) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:19 pm

i thought doom was obvious wolf given the flip

espec given the replace out during the night

guess i was wrong

Ruby Red · Post Post #410 (isolation #21) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:23 pm

way i currently see it it's one of mylo or skitter, the only other person not off the wagon or the person who hammered knowing that no other wagon was going through

don't think there's a world where vartsun is the third vote on the buddy's wagon, don't think there's a world where voyc voteparks a buddy literally the entire day

Ruby Red · Post Post #411 (isolation #22) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:24 pm

In post 388, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: kop

@nm: iirc kop replaced doom, and ruby red replaced brass.

this can easily easily be a wolf knowing that i'm faking btw

Ruby Red · Post Post #412 (isolation #23) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:26 pm

In post 397, Myloninja13 wrote:VOTE: kop

This game has been going great so far!

like this feels kind of real but skitter is completely silent where everyone else was like "hell yeah easy game"

Ruby Red · Post Post #413 (isolation #24) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:27 pm

@skitter link me a game you were in where someone got guiltied before i rip you apart son

Ruby Red · Post Post #414 (isolation #25) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:34 pm

this game should be hard solved if we're just confident vartsun wasn't bussing

JJD never ever spends his entire iso nullifying the villareads on Voyc because of the wagon if they were wolfbuddies

imo i should be hard cleared for basically starting the wagon

Ruby Red · Post Post #428 (isolation #26) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:24 pm

In post 415, Myloninja13 wrote:So... instead of like telling us it seemed obvious and showing evidence, you said it was a guilty because??? Not only did we lose a day period, a PR through night, we also lost the ability to see Kop's reaction and judge it based off of that.

*Sigh* While this was very Anti-town, I do think Red is town here. Does a mafia member fake a guilty on a town player, especially with one member down? I don't think it's likely.

And I'm pretty sure Vartsun is town here, so I'm mostly suspicious between {Voyc, Skitter}.

thought it was a sure thing

In post 418, Vartsun wrote:
In post 409, Ruby Red wrote:i thought doom was obvious wolf given the flip

espec given the replace out during the night

guess i was wrong
Thinking replace outs are alignment indicative is a quick way to be wrong every time, by design.

don't understand why it happened otherwise. like everything pointed there, and everyone agreed with that he was just most likely scum.

Ruby Red · Post Post #429 (isolation #27) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:27 pm

reaction to guilty in game you linked really isn't the same as here

Ruby Red · Post Post #430 (isolation #28) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:27 pm

In post 419, skitter30 wrote:
In post 413, Ruby Red wrote:@skitter link me a game you were in where someone got guiltied before i rip you apart son
a) she

b) only game that I can think of offhand is here, where it happened twice. Once it was a legit guilty on someone I was already voting, and the other time it was a townie faking a guilty on other townie. I thought he was probalby trolling and that the resultee was probably innocent, but I voted there anyways cuz it was a guilty and it wasn't lylo or anything.

--

Reading through the ISO's of HS/JJD:

-> I don't think vartsun is partners with them. Specifically getting that from how HS started a thing with vartsun and their posting style, and the amount of vitriol in that spat. I don't think partners get that annoyed at each other.

-> I don't know if scum!hs starts a wagon on partner-voyc for the lols? (63)

-> and jjd's first post is again railing against vartsun over something not really AI (170)

-> and again, trying to take apart vartsun's argument that voyc probably isn't scum via wagonomics probably isn't something scum!jjd does to partner!voyc

-> and jjd's ensuing spat with vartsun again probably isn't with a partner

-> voyc probalby doesn't sit on a partner through the entirety of day1

-> ruby red voted jjd and reinvigorated that wagon when they didn't have to

--

VOTE: mylo

could also be TMI on not seeming to suspect that i could've bussed

Ruby Red · Post Post #431 (isolation #29) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:32 pm

In post 422, Vartsun wrote:Happens plenty.

If anything, that's just leverage that lets scum get away with FAKING A GUILTY on DAY 2 in a CONTENT STARVED GAME when there should be plenty of role-related info from flips/ability results that would generate good discussion and content to help people actually figure out the game.

-V

In post 425, Vartsun wrote:Yeah, I'm completely not going to let
Ruby
slide here, and I don't think it's far-fetched for him to do this as scum.

I feel like all the slots outside of
Me/Varson
have just been WIFOMed to high hell with this play, and I don't think it's best to keep
Ruby
in the potential MYLO scenario if he's town.

VOTE: Ruby Red

I'm putting this to L-2, but if ANYONE hammers this prior to my return, it is an immediate scumclaim and deserves the credit for a potential town loss.

~ Taly

release your anger for a moment

people already thought that doom was obv as the last. i don't need to fake a guilty as wolf. like, there's just no point.

do you think it's not far-fetched for me to fake a guilty as wolf or do you think i'm actually the most likely to be the last wolf?

Ruby Red · Post Post #432 (isolation #30) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:34 pm

In post 426, Vartsun wrote:I'd also like to further note that this hydra was highly suspected essentially all of D1 and now we're getting NK-baited like that's our purpose in this game.

~ Taly

like if you realize this then i get why it might make you mad but should it not make me less likely to be wolf

Ruby Red · Post Post #434 (isolation #31) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:37 pm

meh i want skitter over mylo today because i think town wins more when it's Me/Mylo in F3 compared to Me vs Skitter but i'm not sure skitter makes the nero kill

like does anyone have any explanation for that outside of it being the newbie as the last wolf?

Ruby Red · Post Post #436 (isolation #32) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:39 pm

In post 433, skitter30 wrote:I think a fairly large portion is that I don't really like care about this game at this point. This game was kinda dead, and got kinda toxic, and then like half the game repped out, and I basically lost interest during the weeklong night.

I'm basically waiting for this game to end or for me to get out of it so that I can join in another game cuz I try to only play like two at a time.

meh, i can believe it

Ruby Red · Post Post #437 (isolation #33) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:40 pm

In post 137, Lycanfire wrote:Mylo isn't all that invested in finding scum. I like finding scum.

this line from this guy basically solving the wolfteam in the one post is the only real reason i can see why that slot gets killed?

so thinking rn mylo is the last

Ruby Red · Post Post #440 (isolation #34) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:42 pm

In post 438, skitter30 wrote:
In post 434, Ruby Red wrote:meh i want skitter over mylo today because i think town wins more when it's Me/Mylo in F3 compared to Me vs Skitter but i'm not sure skitter makes the nero kill

like does anyone have any explanation for that outside of it being the newbie as the last wolf?
If I'm being perfectly honest I don't really want you in LYLO cuz of the wifom.

You probably aren't scum, but like ... you faked a guilty.

A you/mylo/whoever lylo honestly sounds horrid to me.

not like i can control whether or not i'm in F3

Ruby Red · Post Post #441 (isolation #35) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:42 pm

In post 439, skitter30 wrote:
In post 437, Ruby Red wrote:
In post 137, Lycanfire wrote:Mylo isn't all that invested in finding scum. I like finding scum.
this line from this guy basically solving the wolfteam in the one post is the only real reason i can see why that slot gets killed?

so thinking rn mylo is the last
Yeah but lycan had repped out at that point. Why does scum!mylo kill *nero* because lycan had suspected him?

why the fuck does anyone not kill the watcher who CCed a wolf?

Ruby Red · Post Post #444 (isolation #36) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:45 pm

i mean do you honestly think that i flip wolf here

Ruby Red · Post Post #445 (isolation #37) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:45 pm

In post 443, skitter30 wrote:
In post 441, Ruby Red wrote:why the fuck does anyone not kill the watcher who CCed a wolf?
No fucking idea.

If I'm being paranoid I would say that the scum-kill on ausuka got blocked somehow and that nero died cuz he was weak, but idk how plausible that is.

if there's a protective that hasn't claimed yet that's gamethrowing

Ruby Red · Post Post #446 (isolation #38) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:47 pm

i mean if wolves like no killed or something and got lucky with the weak thing then just lol

don't think that happened though

Ruby Red · Post Post #447 (isolation #39) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:47 pm

@Voyc are you leaning more towards skitter or mylo?

Ruby Red · Post Post #451 (isolation #40) » Sun May 06, 2018 2:57 pm

In post 450, skitter30 wrote:Or they completely didn't understand the gamestate?

I really don't know why nero gets killed over ausuka

points to mylo "7 posts day one" ninja

Ruby Red · Post Post #453 (isolation #41) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:00 pm

if you're wolf gj changing my mind btw

Ruby Red · Post Post #459 (isolation #42) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:27 pm

In post 454, Vartsun wrote:Nobody directly shit-sheeped my vote, so I feel a little better about
Skitter
.

But I still don't know, and I still don't understand
Red's
D2 play. If everyone still scumread
doomfeathers
, then why fake a guilty even? Was that just so nobody would really talk about anything else in the day? Was that to bait someone? Like... my biggest thing is, this play is iffy regardless of your alignment,
Red
.

I'm going to reread the thread and reevaluate my vote/stance while I talk to
Varsoon
about this.

UNVOTE:

Unvoting right now because I don't trust anyone else with voting at the moment. My vote may return to
Red
or go anywhere else still.

~ Taly

i wanted to end the game

In post 456, Vartsun wrote:
In post 432, Ruby Red wrote:
In post 426, Vartsun wrote:I'd also like to further note that this hydra was highly suspected essentially all of D1 and now we're getting NK-baited like that's our purpose in this game.

~ Taly
like if you realize this then i get why it might make you mad but should it not make me less likely to be wolf
So you're not denying that this slot's being positioned to get NKed, then?

~ Taly

that's what i would prefer happens if we get a town lynch today

Ruby Red · Post Post #460 (isolation #43) » Sun May 06, 2018 3:28 pm

In post 458, Voyc wrote:
In post 447, Ruby Red wrote:@Voyc are you leaning more towards skitter or mylo?
Mylo
Skitter has several posts that make me go: "ah, that's townie", and I liked you two's interaction just now (gut tbh)
Mylo overall is bland, neutral, I don't see anything from them, could be scum trying to coast along to victory bc of the state of the game

I also don't want Ruby in 3p, but I don't see them flipping scum

@Ruby, when did you decide you would fake a guilty on doom/kop?

alright, sounds good. vote mylo?

decided sometime around the guy replacing out and that like 5 day long night phase

Ruby Red · Post Post #465 (isolation #44) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:33 pm

Ruby Red · Post Post #466 (isolation #45) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:34 pm

In post 463, skitter30 wrote:I know that it's super-improbable but people have been disengaged enough this game that I just want to make sure that the obvious doesn't get overlooked.

Like I don't think you guys make sense as a partner for hs/jjd at all but I'd feel really, really silly losing to scum!you if I didn't bother to cover the bases.

Also what do you think the course ought to be?

there's no world in which vartsun is wolf.

Ruby Red · Post Post #467 (isolation #46) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:34 pm

@Mod, prod voyc and mylo?

Ruby Red · Post Post #476 (isolation #47) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:41 pm

In post 470, Voyc wrote:My bad!

I don't see Vartsun or skitter as scum at all
I had a bit of doubts about skitter at the beginning of the day but the more I think about it, the more I realize I was probably wrong
Def. prefer mylo or Ruby now

I'm inclined towards mylo bc he's who I see actually flipping scum
Ruby's more of a, as I said before, don't want them at 3p lynch and also might actually be maf
But I'd be ok with either, given that if I'm alive tomorrow (if there's a tomorrow) then I'd be voting the other

sounds good

wait pls don't instant vote me tomorrow if this doesn't end the game

In post 473, skitter30 wrote:
In post 467, Ruby Red wrote:
@Mod, prod voyc and mylo?
Aside, mylo has def been posting elsewhere

probwolf then ez game

In post 474, skitter30 wrote:Why isn't anyone else voting ... ?

tbh was waiting for voyc to vote first so i could fasthammer

In post 475, Voyc wrote:
In post 434, Ruby Red wrote:i think town wins more when it's Me/Mylo in F3 compared to Me vs Skitter
@Ruby why do/did you think this??

because i think mylo is an easier lynch than skitter rofl.

people have thought skitter is town since the beginning and would always want to lynch the person who faked the guilty over the innocent wallposter.

Ruby Red · Post Post #477 (isolation #48) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:41 pm

VOTE: mylo