Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Mathdino]

Votecount 3-1

Not_Mafia

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(1)

: Oxy

jjh927

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(1)

: Not_Mafia

mutantdevle

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(2)

: pinturicchio, jjh927

Not Voting

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(6)

: mutantdevle, havingfitz, Alonzo, Quick, Sando, MOMOMEN

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-18 00:00:00)

[mutantdevle]

Want to here something funny? Scum thought I was the vig because they jailkept me on N1 and only the worst died. Wanna know why I know I was jailkept? I hid behind the worst scum saved my life on N1 and tried to kill me on N2! But I'm a smarty pants and knew they were trying to do that; that's why I scumread everyone who was trying to push me on D2 'cause they were looking for my claim... aka mutant.

Btw, I hid behind Oxy, so start following him and me on this game, please?

VOTE: mutantdevle

I'd like to think that, as scum, I'd be more competent than to conclude that because we have a jailkeeper who used their ability that the person they targetted was definitely a vig just because there was no vig kill. You should know that I always assume the most probable conclusion, in what world is 'no vig kill MUST mean that jailkeeper jailed the vig!" the most probable conclusion?

Also, you scum read me on Day 1... not to mention that I was never pushing you; only letting it be known that I scum read you. I was never pushing you because I acknowledged I was biased against you, which I've said several times this game. And you should also know that I don't want PRs claiming when I'm scum from our scum together, I'd rather kill them without town ever knowing. Maybe it's time you should admit your own bias against me and, instead of just wanting me lynched, actually stop to consider what you're theorising.

I'm glad that I'm able to solve my read on you and that I no longer have to be paranoid about Oxy, but just because you're both confirmed town doesn't mean I'm going to follow your every read. I'm certainly going to take into consideration what each of you has to say, but the worst thing you can do right now is act as though your word is divine. That's how misslynches happen.

[mutantdevle]

You're supposed to crumb hider targets, not results

Didn't want to do that since I knew scum thought I was the vig so I wanted to play as "frustrated vig who couldn't get his kill done and probably dead on N2".

Oh and by the way, scum probably knows who the real vig is now since no one died today, so they must've jailkept him/her

Or... we don't have a vig?

[mutantdevle]

Shouldn't rule out tracker but I can't imagine not taking vig with fuckin NM in the game

If there was a vig, surely they'd have killed NM N1? They obviously weren't jailed then. We have a tracker, not a vig.

[mutantdevle]

Actually it must be unless they shot Pint N1

Why would they shoot Pintu? If we had a vig, NM would be dead. Our other PR is the tracker.

[mutantdevle]

There are pros and cons for scum to jail/not jail pin tonight. I'm not sure how +ev it is for us to go through them all.

Maybe we table this until later in the day? If we don't come up with a plan, you can always try to make a super subtle 1859 reference to clue me into a crumb.

If they don't jail you, they also won't be killing me.

I think whether or not Pintu gets jailed would be somewhat telling of the personalities of the scum members. The only way I see them not jailing Pintu is if they are confident they're about to shoot his target. If that happens, the question would be which members would have that kind of confidence?

[mutantdevle]

Ngl my last few posts here feel quite shit considering most of my concerns in them are answered literally a few posts down from where I quoted :3


Also, are we so sure now that them killing a PR N1 was them getting lucky? I mean, they jailkept 1 PR and killed another on N1 and then were so confident in their jailkeep that they decided to try and kill said PR on N2. The probability of all that simply being them getting lucky is incredibly low and improbable imo. I get the feeling that the scum has at least 1 person who is good at PT hunting. So my question here is which players fit that profile?

[havingfitz]

So two confirmed town...neither of whom were sure thing townreads IMO before today. Great.

I still think Quick is most likely town. And there was nothing "dumb" wrt my psuedo hider target tyvm. OBE now regardless.

I considered reading the game over more closely over the weekend but it was the weekend and reading the game over more closely motivation was low. I'll get on that today.

My D3 pre-re-read reads are:

Town: pintu, Oxy
Probably town: Quick
Slight lean town: mutant, MOMOMEN
???: Sando, jjh
Lynchpool: Alonzo, Not_Mafia

Need ISO'd: Lynchpool, jjh, Sando and slight town leans....in that order.

Also...not sure where we are wrt to the tracker, but imo tracker should not claim.

[MOMOMEN]

Quick is still town. Pint and oxy are now conf town. Hm.

[MOMOMEN]

{Momo, Pint, Oxy}
{Quick}
Without isoing I'm comfortable with those 4 town. Theres 10 alive. Find 1-2 more town, and games over depending on if one of us 4 is tracker.
{Sando, Fitz} - still townie slots. need to review predecessors though for fitz and sandos iso. Games probably over just lynching below here tbh.
{JJ} Slightly pinged in catchup, overall still pretty townie. Random was very meh though.
{NM}
{Mutant, Alonzo}

[MOMOMEN]

-eddieposts

[MOMOMEN]

tracker has no reason to claim unless they have a guilty in which case they should probably

[mutantdevle]

tracker has no reason to claim unless they have a guilty in which case they should probably

Thanks for this insight. I'm sure the tracker would have just randomly claimed without reason had you not said this.

[MOMOMEN]

people were talking about tracker claiming such as literally in the post above. thanks for your retarded attempt at being funny.

[Oxy]

Okay. I've done a lot of reading since last night

These are the people I don't think I ever want to lynch:
Pintu, Oxy, Quick, Sando

These are the deep scum that I lose to:
Momomen, Fitz

And this is the lynch order I'm at right now

NM/Mutant -> JJ -> Alonzo

[Oxy]

I would love to hear arguments for why Momomen, Fitz are scum,

and arguments for why JJ, Alonzo are town. Or I guess mutant/NM but I dunno how you'd convince me of NM.

also, does anyone think that scum!mutant DOESN'T put ico at L-1 for his partner, scum!NM to hammer?

[MOMOMEN]

no.

[MOMOMEN]

anyways looks like this game is likely over. I'm more paranoid of sando than fitz tbqh nuf probably never lynching either.

[Oxy]

no, scum mutant doesn't put ico at l-1?

[MOMOMEN]

no, I dont rhink it's relevant and theres mo reason xcum him wouldn't

[jjh927]

{Momo, Pint, Oxy}
{Quick}
Without isoing I'm comfortable with those 4 town. Theres 10 alive. Find 1-2 more town, and games over depending on if one of us 4 is tracker.
{Sando, Fitz} - still townie slots. need to review predecessors though for fitz and sandos iso. Games probably over just lynching below here tbh.
{JJ} Slightly pinged in catchup, overall still pretty townie. Random was very meh though.
{NM}
{Mutant, Alonzo}

Eddie we've almost synchronised

Objectively town: me, pint, oxy
Town: Quick, Momo, Sando
Townlean: Fitz
Scum: Mutant, Alonzo, NM

[jjh927]

actually there's nothing special about that with 2 conftowns and a load of obvtowns nvm

[Alonzo]

VOTE: NOT MAF

[Oxy]

actually, i think we should let nm hammer again today

VOTE: mutantdevle

[pinturicchio]

I like the {NM, mutant, Alonzo} team, but I'm more convinced on {NM, mutant}, lynch should be between them.