Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Mathdino]

i mean let's be honest tho

is there anything wrong with drawing the nightkill to ircher

i guess if scum have a roleblock/jailkeep/redirector then sure

[Ircher]

Yes, I die!

[Lovebird]

can u un stop?

Ok.

[mutantdevle]

Also, just as a general warning to everyone: DON'T. FUCKING. CRUMB. OR. SOFT.

It wasn't a

soft

.

Too bad. It's now being interpreted as one.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Yes, I die!

IF you hardclaim PR and are TOWN I highly doubt scum will kill you... ┐(￣ー￣)┌

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

ALSO I keep getting DISTRACTED ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[Lovebird]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

WHILE I'm not TRYING to make my case for TALY I will say that I do agree with EDDIE that deepwolfreading is a BIT risky at this point, since we don't have ASSOCIATIVES it's more likely we wind up scumreading TOWN - deepwolves are found by COPS and by ASSOCIATIVES after all ^_^

[Lovebird]

Subject: Vengeful Mafia (2x games) - GAME OVER

VOTE: Ausuka

Serious vote.

[Lovebird]

Subject: Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

VOTE: ausuka

[Eddie Cane]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

Boon game.

[Taly]

Damn it Had a reply post partially written but I had to leave, and I forgot to save it... D:

Incoming wallposts.

[Taly]

•Mathdino townleaning
•mutantdevle townleaning (I feel his push against Math is town, scum would not draw attention into a SvT if they could just kill of a town Math at night).
•SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis Meh. I don't dislike this, but meh.
•Ausuka townleaning, based on the reads (beef and lalendra as scumreads)
•the worst has me pocketed so hoping town.
•davesaz replaced Almost50 could be scum. Has lol-scumreads, and I've seen his frustrations before as scum being scumread. Also he's scumreading me for picking #1.
•brassherald townlean
•Lalendra low content. could be scum
•Myloninja13 replaced Beefster low content. His vote on janitor is good though.
•The Janitor scumreading. stated these reasons earlier.
•Lovebird would like to see more information for the push on me. Attacking me on my RVS-opening and that 'awkward' mention are just weird. But I will probably be able to sort Love properly.
•Iconeum
•Taly townleaning. Scumhunting with effort.
•Ircher scumhunting effort, townreading

I'm still lynching Janitor. His ISO is scum. Reread my ISO to see the case on him. Open for discusion!

fp'd like a million times

I still don't understand the scumreads here with

Janitor

; the reasons against him seem very understated since I've had to dig through multiple ISOs to understand the suspicion there.

I think

Janitor's

likely town from what I've seen. 111 was a post that wanted to avoid any WIFOM generated by pure setup spec, and I don't agree with SIMYK's assessment that

Janitor

hasn't taken any stances, or that his first posts were objectively bad. He's made his reads and thoughts very clear in multiple posts; 186, 196, 213, 406, and 605

While I'd

Janitor

to expand on his recent readslist, he's made an active attempt to talk to people whenever he's online and he's engaged with a lot of people. His play is pro-town to me.

I don't understand your insistence in lynching him; and 178 was 500+ posts ago, has any of your other reads notably changed since then?

@Taly, sorry I missed it but you were talking about my #138

I always post something bad on the worst, because I need to see his reaction to sort him. Usually I scumread him early, and this game I think he's town.

What made you go from scum to town on him?

Ausuka, I feel your lovebird vote/case is partly OMGUS. Lovebird was also scumreading me because I had an RVS-vote. We need more from Love to properly sort there.

Who else?

OMGUS is not a well-constructed reason to make your thoughts more understood.

Oh, and UNVOTE: until I actually read what's happened.

Good first impression, aware of the gamestate; I'd like to see their thoughts upon them catching up.

Then, we have the Lalendra wagon. At least two players that I more or less townread are on it... But I'm not sure if it will get anywhere. Like, I agree that Lalendra hasn't done much, but what is this wagon accomplishing?

Yeah, I think I'm really starting to prefer the Lalendra wagon over The Janitor right now...
VOTE: Lalendra

Well things like this make me think that my scum read on you is more on you actually being scummy rather than your playstyle.

You acknowledge that this wagon has only formed out of Lalendra's lack of activity and that it likely isn't going to achieve anything. Yet you then join it? Literally what... why are you on this wagon? You don't scum read Lalendra. You acknowledge the flaws within it. You don't need to be on this wagon. This post comes across as though you feel like you need to be doing something with your vote - which I've seen more often from scum who feel pressured than I have town.

...15+ pages later... we're still going with the case that

Ircher

is scum based on his reaction to being hardpushed from 418 to 608 with the same people on the wagon.

Voting for another wagon, while acknowledging the grievances of it, and not having a defined scumread on it, is usually not AI.

You keep waffling on the nature of your read but you seem pretty confident in it, so I don't quite know your thought process.

How do you feel about mutant? I'm guessing you suspect Iconeum and are scumreading Ircher?

With regards to MUTANT, his posting gives me MIXED feelings ┐( ˘_˘)┌

NONE of his analysis feels particularly INSIGHTFUL in a manner that ONLY town can be, but his INTERACTIONS with Almost50-hannin clearly show that they are NOT partners (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و

WITH Almost50-hannin's replace out AND his UNNATURAL townread of Mutant I am INCLINED to say that these two slots are NEVER both scum ((((；゜Д゜)))

IF I were NOT scumreading A50 THIS would be my prefered POINT OF PRESSURE as a result

Iconeum I desire a REVIEW while I catchup so I will RETURN to this thought process afterwards.

pedit: It seems your conclusion is that there is NOT much to go off of there, which I think is reasonable ╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑

ANYWAY so yeah

We are NOT lynching Ahiru-tan, Math-sensei, Taly, Ausuka-chan, Mylo, Janitor, or Icon (because of his draft NOT because of his posts) today (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

VOTE: Lalendra

REGARDLESS of my READ of IRCHER the wagon here is CLEARLY town, I am STILL going to write my points on IRCHER for taly BUT we need to CONSOLIDATE and this also gives Ausuka-chan more time to read Ircher (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

Ausuka-chan let's go BACK here!

Is

Lalendra

a scumread in your eyes?

I'd like the points on

Ircher

; why

Lalendra's

a higher priority to you, and what made you think

Iconeum

was more likely to be town in your eyes?

snip

I don't like you pushing someone who seems pretty blatantly town. The rest of the post is pretty alright so shrug. I was told you're quite good as town, high expectations.

Pfft, I've had my fair share of off-games.

D:< *referencing Mini Normal: 1568*

{Eddie}
{Simyk}
{Mutant}
{The Worst, Iconeum}
confident above^ are all town, leaving a PoE of {Mathdino, Ausuka, Davesaz, Lalendra, Myloninja13, The Janitor, Lovebird, Taly, Ircher}

Isn't Taly supposed to be a great player? I think she had 2 posts lmao. I have no clue what to do with mathdinkle I flip flopped a lot on reading him. I'll go townie side. Ausuka meh scummy. Dave slot meh scummy. Mylo meh townie. Janitor scummy. Lovebird scummy. Ircher scummy.

Elaborate on the

Janitor

and

Ircher

reads because I'm not understanding it. :/

[Taly]

I don't think people have taken enough time to evaluate the wagons, specifically

Ircher's

and the reads on them. I want people to explain them more, and I don't like how his wagon returned when

Lalendra's

completely deflated without

Lalendra

really doing anything. 806 to 808 and 811.

I'm even more inclined to think that

Ircher's

just lynchbait and nobody really shares the same sentiment,

which reinforces my thinking.

[Taly]

D1 Taly Full Readslist

Town

Math - Strong Townread

- While I don't fully agree with their approach on setup right now, I think it's largely based on playstyle and I feel like he's put forth a strong voice within the playerlist and he's done the most to expand on his thinking. He's also thought of the other possibilities in a game which tells me he's looking beyond the surface level in order to solve it.

Ircher - Strong Townread

- I think I've beat this to death so far,

if anyone has questions; then

PLEASE TALK TO ME.

Janitor - Moderate Townread

- Very similar case; don't agree with the suspicion on them and I feel like they're actively working to gamesolve.

Ausuka - Moderate Townread

- I'm pretty familiar with

Ausuka

; her being quick to try and gauge for information through wagons while also going into great depth about her perceptions give this a solid townread on her. This is partially meta, but with in-thread game evidence, I feel like this is town either way.

the worst - Moderate Townread

- Slightly questioning this a bit; but I think the worst's mentality of being laid back while engaging is town-motivated. I think he's pushing boundaries in order to improve his vision of the game.

Eddie - Slight Townread

- Made self a very prominent presence amongst their little time being among the playerlist. Giving reads and most definitely displaying a forward gamesolve standpoint.

Null/Questioning

Saske - Not Confident, Lean Town

- Probably one of the most volatile reads I have. I don't always see the reasoning behind their thoughts and I feel like they've voted with the flow of the town. However, they have been responsive and they are generating assessments to help further the gamestate. I had a hard time placing this as town or not.

Dave - Not Confident, Lean Town

- I don't like to read replacements like their predecessors. I was iffy on

Almost50

but I felt they were genuine. I also feel the same thing for

Dave

, but they haven't posted enough to sway me strongly.

Mylo - Null

- Similar to my

Dave

read but with a lot less content to judge off of.

Mutant - Not Confident, Lean Scum

- They're borderline voteparking on

Ircher

, someone I strongly feel is town, and while I do like they're content through Page 10, I haven't seen much beyond that that strikes me as towny.

Scum

Lovebird - Slight Scumread

- Literally posts

"this is town" and "this is scum"

without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Iconeum - Slight Scumread

- Probably the least confident of the scumreads, they're the most forward players out of my scumreads. But I still don't get their insistence on

Janitor

or their read progression.

Lalendra - Slight Scumread

- Mash my

Lovebird and Mylo

read together while looking at how quickly built their wagon was created, and then weakened - and that makes me think this is a worthy potential lynch and scum.

:/ My townreads are stronger than my scumreads currently, which I don't like at all, but I'm working to change that.

Of course, several reads are liable to change soon.

[Lovebird]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

Boon game.

Oh yeah. Idk what difference you see. My games are too much reading now, though.

[Lovebird]

Scum
Lovebird - Slight Scumread - Literally posts "this is town" and "this is scum" without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Lol.

[Mathdino]

oh yeah that reminds me the super obvious deepwolf would be iconeum

he's harder to read than he looks and he picked 1 sooooo

[Taly]

Scum
Lovebird - Slight Scumread - Literally posts "this is town" and "this is scum" without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Lol.

Yeah responses like these aren't changing my mind in the slighest.

[Lovebird]

I would THINK scum shooting someone WIDELY TOWNREAD such as me, eddie-kun, ahiru-tan, taly, or you would be a GOOD indication ╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂

Would scum ELECT to avoid shooting someone townie just because there could be a TRACKER? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

pedit: LOOKS like we're in agreement!

Eddie and taly widely townread?

[Lovebird]

Scum
Lovebird - Slight Scumread - Literally posts "this is town" and "this is scum" without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Lol.

Yeah responses like these aren't changing my mind in the slighest.

You really think those things you said had to do with if I'm scum?

[the worst]

{Mathdino, Ausuka, Lalendra, Myloninja13, The Janitor, Lovebird, Ircher}

3 scum in here. Mathdino is probably not one of them.

[Lovebird]

Why not? It is not necessarily (at least imo) that you have acted scummy so much as being hard to read.

I'm not hard to read. People done it easily before.

[the worst]

8.
In 811, The Worst wrote:
Aarrrgggghhhh this wagon is irresistable
Lalendraslot--we have unfinisher business.
VOTE: Ircher

Seriously?

Seriously.
Why even

[Lovebird]

{Mathdino, Ausuka, Lalendra, Myloninja13, The Janitor, Lovebird, Ircher}

notable that ausuka and lovebird cannot be scum together

removing myself from this list that creates

scum in {Ausuka/Lovebird, Lalendra, Myloninja, Janitor, Ircher}

only 5 slots for scum feels wrong

these are ally uncharismatic lurky lynchbaity players

who's deepwolfing

Maybe it's eddie.