Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[jjh927]

Declaring the hide behind NM is a good call here, I think

[Not_Mafia]

mutantdevle
jjh927
havingfitz
Alonzo

Scum is in that block via PoE

[MOMOMEN]

Well, I got a better idea: I could target Not_Mafia today; if he's town, scum will shoot him and both him and me will die, but that would be good since Not_Mafia being alive is bad for town. If he's scum, I'll die and he won't (or scum will jailkeep me) so he will be conf!scum in one case and in the other case scum either he is scum or scumteam jailkept me to make us believe he's scum (this would be the worst case scenario, but I would live another day as conf!town)

Scum are more likely to jail you if NM is town than if he's scum, unless NM is himself the jailer. We've basically gamesolved this and I think him being Jailer is their only hope.

If you assume 2 conf!town and 3 town in Sando, Quick and MOM, then you're left with 5 others. Within that 5 there'd be 3 scum and they need us to mislynch twice. You can see via that math that scum simply cannot shoot within the 5 since even if it kills the hider, they're leaving us 4 people with 3 scum in it and requiring 2 mislynches.

If NM is town then he's the easiest mislynch target in there. They can't let you clear him, and they can't kill him, so their only option is to block you. If NM is scum but not the jailer then they can block you but they're leaving a tracker up and once we hit the jailer then you'll conf!scum NM. If NM is the jailer they keep jailing you and we never hit the jailer, so we have to deal with that.

So,

assuming we're happy with the 5 scumpossibles being Alonzo, mutant, NM, JJ and Fitz

, then I think we:
Lynch mutant
Hide behind NM
Track NM

NM being out Jailer is the danger point, if they jail hider but jailer isn't NM then we just keep looking for the jailer to get a clear/confirm on NM. If NM is jailer scums only hope is to shoot the tracker. I'd expect that if NM is not the jailer, they simply let you conf!scum him and hunt the tracker hardcore.

Please note, all of this requires you to be fine with the bolded part, otherwise it doesn't work and should be ignored. If you think of those 5 there's definite town then that's not a big deal, but if you think of the town there's possible scum then yeah, this doesn't work.

Correct, but we don't need to target the Tracker. They can do their own thing and claim if they get something useful.

and LOL at hider saying who they hide behind. That's dumb. If they want to do that they should give multiple people they are hiding behind because if they just give one, then that's two Town for the price of one.

No, the point is that we WANT scum to kill Not Mafia if he's town and we know who he's targeting...

Sando - Generally town processes. Town on pushes. I think this is the closest thing to likely sleeper scum but I don't think there's anything that makes me vote him this game. Definitely not before Alonzo NM and Mutant flip. I only say that because he's the only one of you players I think is competent enough to powerscum.

I Feel the same way about devle. Tell me why devle doesn't fit this category.

I'm not going to give you a tryhard case. He is scum. You can listen to me or not, your vote isn't needed for this lynch. His CJ case and Pintu stuff should be enough to see it. Or, even how awful his recent reads list is. If you ctrl + f not_mafia in his iso, all of the results are general "i played iwth not mafia once and we had a great time lmao!" type stuff, or complimenting, etc. nothing about alignment at all. and he casually mentions a PL and then pushes it off and says he doesn't want it. now today he's acting like we should have done it sooner. its the standard day 3 bus. Even his goddamn recent reads post is awful.

They strike me as the only player that hasn't been confirmed as town who is capable of being this good at scum hunting.

This isn't even sensical. "He is the only not conf!town player who is good enough to scum hunt well therefore he is scum".

[MOMOMEN]

Declaring the hide behind NM is a good call here, I think

you didn't compliment my avi you bastard

[Not_Mafia]

And also just engineered for you to survive a bit longer

what's bad about this?

You'd understand if you knew Pint's main

[Oxy]

Whatever you do, don't hide behind me again =)

People should look more closely at NM, and keep my skepticism about alonzo in mind.

It's possible that his scum!game is to just destroy a thread, show shade 360 degrees, and tone it down dramatically after people chastise him for it

and then just sit quietly while people push his lynch

OR

he's town.

but at least one of alonzo/nm is probably town.

JJ's the likely scum that is lowkey protecting his scum buddy mutant by pushing NM

But I'm pretty ready for a lynch.

p.edit Pint is an alt? Don't tell me, I'll find his main. Far more interesting than scum hunting

[pinturicchio]

And also just engineered for you to survive a bit longer

what's bad about this?

You'd understand if you knew Pint's main

Ummm what you talking about? I have no alts, this is my only account. Who do you think I am?

[MOMOMEN]

And also just engineered for you to survive a bit longer

what's bad about this?

You'd understand if you knew Pint's main

If he's an alt he'd be banned for joining newbie games as a newbie

[MOMOMEN]

Oxy, Pintu, you cool with a Mutant hammer now? Sando can do the honors with NM.

[Oxy]

oh i think he means your old avi, in which case it was quite the clever joke

[pinturicchio]

Oxy, Pintu, you cool with a Mutant hammer now? Sando can do the honors with NM.

Absolutely

[Oxy]

above post was @ pint

I'm cool wit it

[MOMOMEN]

[Oxy]

honestly, I can't do much of anything when I'm watching This is America on repeat getting ready for the revolution.

[pinturicchio]

oh i think he means your old avi, in which case it was quite the clever joke

If that's what he meant, I really don't want to lynch Not_Mafia ever

[Sando]

Correct, but we don't need to target the Tracker. They can do their own thing and claim if they get something useful.

The tracker is to deal with NM being the Jailer, which is I think the only way out of this for scum I think. If he's a goon but scum keep jailing hider, we lynch until we find the jailer and then get a conf one way or the other on NM that night. If he's the jailer then he can keep that up indefinitely and we never get a confirmation on NM and we're by definition left with NM vs someone else with no confirmation either way.

[jjh927]

I think everyone agrees that there's 3 scum in me, NM, Alonzo, Mutant, Fitz

[Quick]

and LOL at hider saying who they hide behind. That's dumb. If they want to do that they should give multiple people they are hiding behind because if they just give one, then that's two Town for the price of one.

Don't LOL at things you don't understand, especially when it's been explained clearly and you can't find the intellect to actually articulate a counter argument other than "that's dumb".

Sure. Does hider die if they hide behind the Town that is killed?

[Oxy]

NM, Alonzo, Mutant, Fitz

i do

[Quick]

I think everyone agrees that there's 3 scum in me, NM, Alonzo, Mutant, Fitz

I'd add you in there and take out devle and add sando. Otherwise, yeah, right on.

[Not_Mafia]

and LOL at hider saying who they hide behind. That's dumb. If they want to do that they should give multiple people they are hiding behind because if they just give one, then that's two Town for the price of one.

Don't LOL at things you don't understand, especially when it's been explained clearly and you can't find the intellect to actually articulate a counter argument other than "that's dumb".

Sure. Does hider die if they hide behind the Town that is killed?

Geez Louise

[Sando]

Sure. Does hider die if they hide behind the Town that is killed?

Yep, I know where you're going, and before you say it, read what I've said and you can work out for yourself why it's fine for them both to die.

[MOMOMEN]

I think everyone agrees that there's 3 scum in me, NM, Alonzo, Mutant, Fitz

I'd add you in there and take out devle and add sando. Otherwise, yeah, right on.

Not me?

[MOMOMEN]

Oxy, Pintu, you cool with a Mutant hammer now? Sando can do the honors with NM.

Oxy, Pintu, you cool with a Mutant hammer now? Sando can do the honors with NM.

Absolutely

above post was @ pint

I'm cool wit it

goin to bed make me happy and wake up to a hammer

[Sando]

Ok only quick doesn't understand, but that's no surprise and probably unable to be rectified in this lifetime so:

Intent to give NM the lolhammer on mutant.

BTW if mutant claims tracker don't CC please real tracker and we simply lynch within alonzo/JJ/Fitz.