Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Sando]

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

I've already told the tracker not to CC, but feel free to articulate why it's best to get a CC right now.

[pinturicchio]

Hey @mutant another thing, what do you think about jjh and momomen being on your wagon? 'Cause they know that Not_Mafia would lolhammer you and scum would want that situation since they knew you were the tracker, right?

[Quick]

quick, what do you think the scum team is again?

maybe it's time for some out of the box thinking

IDK what the TEAM is at this point. I think Momo is Sus. I think Sando is also Sus. I think NM has an average shot at being Mafia. I think JJ has a better than average shot at being Scum.

Why is there so much resistance to a NM lynch @Sando, @jj.

Cause I have zero read on him and we're using the hider to reduce our risk. If you'd like to propose an alternate plan that is more than "LOL THAT'S DUMB" then I'm all ears, till then I'm following my plan.

Sure. Hider picks three people that they could potentially hide behind that are all TRs. This clears people from being Mafia and keeps our Hider alive.

[pinturicchio]

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

I've already told the tracker not to CC, but feel free to articulate why it's best to get a CC right now.

Where?

I think the CC would be optimal now because if mutant is indeed scum, the scumteam should have bussed him long time ago. I've been thinking he's the jailkeeper since forever

[Quick]

@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

Is it even a question of waiting for a CC?

[pinturicchio]

@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

Is it even a question of waiting for a CC?

People started voting Alonzo like there's no tomorrow. Why are you so insufferable?

[Quick]

@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

Is it even a question of waiting for a CC?

People started voting Alonzo like there's no tomorrow. Why are you so insufferable?

I didn't realize I was.

[Sando]

Where?

I think the CC would be optimal now because if mutant is indeed scum, the scumteam should have bussed him long time ago. I've been thinking he's the jailkeeper since forever

BTW if mutant claims tracker don't CC please real tracker and we simply lynch within alonzo/JJ/Fitz.

Basically because I still want the real tracker, if it's not Mutant, to track NM. Scum need the jail on hider tonight unless NM is a goon and they're happy to let him die, and so they'll simply kill mutant overnight.

[Quick]

Where?

I think the CC would be optimal now because if mutant is indeed scum, the scumteam should have bussed him long time ago. I've been thinking he's the jailkeeper since forever

BTW if mutant claims tracker don't CC please real tracker and we simply lynch within alonzo/JJ/Fitz.

Basically because I still want the real tracker, if it's not Mutant, to track NM. Scum need the jail on hider tonight unless NM is a goon and they're happy to let him die, and so they'll simply kill mutant overnight.

And here I was assuming that hider goes before JK.

[Quick]

Naturally I was thinking Mafia tried to kill hider last night, but what do I know?

[jjh927]

Probably worth weighing up CC stuff-

Let's assume mutant is lying and someone is in a position to CC.

If mutant is the jailkeeper, mutant makes the kill and jails someone, making the track functionally worthless as the tracker already knows mutant is scum. In this case, tracker ccing must be optimal.
If mutant is a goon, mutant will still almost certainly make the kill, but the jailkeeper will still exist, meaning there is a decent shot at catching them. This is probably most optimal where we lynch a goon, as the track would essentially be able to clear people or catch the jailkeeper, unless the jailkeeper decided to do nothing (which itself allows pintu to do the hider thing).
If we're gonna lynch scum, not claiming is probably optimal, but not certain.


I think I can see arguments either way?

PEdit: Why should tracker track NM if we're already doing the hider target thing?

[Oxy]

If we mislynch here, we go to mylo.

Do we want to be dealing with alive!mutant and alive!counterclaim at lylo?

If there is a cc today, we can ensure at least one lynch before then, and a far smaller lynch pool going into 6 or 5 man lylo

[Quick]

PEdit: Why should tracker track NM if we're already doing the hider target thing?

I didn't say tracker should target NM.

[jjh927]

And I wasn't talking to you

[Oxy]

If we mislynch here, we go to mylo.

meant to say lylo.

yeah, it could be mylo, but I don't think we'd be sleeping anyway, so it's really lylo

[jjh927]

Quick, how are you so oblivious to everything yet still capable of seeing things that aren't actually there

[Quick]

Quick, how are you so oblivious to everything yet still capable of seeing things that aren't actually there

that is a vague statement but probably because I barely looked over about 4 pages.

[Oxy]

Quick, thanks for the reads list - I am thinking about it.

[jjh927]

I think if we lynch Alonzo here we have the biggest chance of getting the jailkeeper. Scum aren't going to want to bus their jailkeeper and I don't think he's been particularly targeted by other scummy players

[Oxy]

If we mislynch here, we go to 8 player mylo or 7 player lylo.

Do we want to be dealing with alive!mutant and alive!counterclaim at lylo?

If there is a cc today, we can ensure at least one lynch before then, and a far smaller lynch pool going into 6 or 5 man lylo

@sando can you walk me through your thinking surrounding this, mate?

[pinturicchio]

Yeah I think Oxy is right: if we mislynch today and scum kills town and I hide behind that town or behind scum, tadah, LyLo. Even if I don't die we will be on MyLo, so not CCing today is a bad idea.

Can everyone in his/her next post say "I'm not CCing" or something cool to say you're CCing? Like my cool claim with my cool crumbing?

I'm not CCing (lol)

[Oxy]

I don't know if it's been said, but I'm a VT, so no worries about a wasted confirmed

[pinturicchio]

I don't know if it's been said, but I'm a VT, so no worries about a wasted confirmed

I actually didn't know and I'm so relieved, if you were the tracker this game would have been much more complicated

[Oxy]

<3

[Quick]

VT, obviously.