Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Pine]

Whoever gave me Google Glass, please say so. I'd like someone to blame if these things rot my skull

[Alisae]

pirate mollie is replacing ArcAngel9

this is a choice I have made, not one ArcAngel9 made.

THANK YOU

[PenguinPower]

Oh, yay! Mollie.

This should be fun.

Farm day field trip tomorrow; but, outside that, should be much more active now.

[Alisae]

Mollie plz pocket me ty <3

[pirate mollie]

hi guys

whats going on

[pirate mollie]

hi alisae!

can you give me a tl;dr pretty plz?

who are we lynching?

[Alisae]

I would love to but I have to leave for class really soon.

[Brian Skies]

hi alisae!

can you give me a tl;dr pretty plz?

who are we lynching?

There was no kill last night.

Pine is claiming to have roleblocked NSG, who is claiming VT. NSG is the only wagon so far today.

I've claimed 1-Shot Bulletproof because I am and thus don't think Pine's Roleblocker claim is a surefire scum catch (it could be but I think that we're better off reading NSG off of play here).

Day 2 practically just started so you can read through the game and catch up that way.

So, you should probably start with NSG and go from there?

[Pine]

Honestly D1 was mostly trash. I'd read from page 90 or so. That's when it got interesting.

Current analysis revolves around the trash wagon against your predecessor for lurking, with a lot of Townreads coming out of the last-minute flashwagon on scum Vecna.

[xRECKONERx]

@mollie:

d1 was just a lot of apathy until a flashwagon happened on vecna end of day
obviously, vecna flipped scum
come d2, there was no kill, pine claimed to block nsg, nsg claimed vt, brian claimed 1-shot bulletproof

tldr is we have to lynch nsg because we can't let a potential scumkill get blocked and not test it, but there's a slight possibility skies ate the shot with his bp vest if the claim is true (or some other combination of things happened)

[northsidegal]

I'm voting NSG because she's ignoring me. I've given her opportunity to openly analyse her wagon and rather than proving her PoV is townie she's flipping town off so you can say I'm justifing a bs wagon but you're going to need to point out how NSG is town based on her responses today instead of turning the tables on me after you rush to defend NSG after weakly scum reading her D1.

I'm not sure in what sense you think I'm "ignoring you" when there were about 14 minutes (and one post of mine) between you asking me a question and you voting me.

Like i said, i can tell that this is going to take a lot of energy from me. i'm just trying to find that within me before i start, because otherwise i'm just going to come out with something completely lackluster and probably with poor reads as well.

[northsidegal]

we cant let you live until endgame regardless nsg and we have a rb on you at the same time as a no kill

like

even if you're town we can't let that live because the best we would get would be a doctor going "oh ok well i protected someone and so i guess i couldve stopped the kill" in which case we'd still need to lynch you first to confirm the doc/clear are town

For the record I disagree with this philosophy, but I doubt I'll change anyone's mind on it.

[northsidegal]

It's something that i see mathdino say a lot in games (certain setups, really), where VT claims "have to die" or something if someone claims vt, either by lynch or vig. (I know what you're saying isn't because of the VT claim, but the principle behind the two is the same, i feel)

I think it's only really true in something like AITP.

[Pine]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@mollie:

d1 was just a lot of apathy until a flashwagon happened on vecna end of day
obviously, vecna flipped scum
come d2, there was no kill, pine claimed to block nsg, nsg claimed vt, brian claimed 1-shot bulletproof

tldr is we have to lynch nsg because we can't let a potential scumkill get blocked and not test it, but there's a slight possibility skies ate the shot with his bp vest if the claim is true (or some other combination of things happened)

hey now

when I replaced in there was a lot of activity!

[northsidegal]

i can already tell this game is going to take a lot out of me.

What do you make of Pine using his RB on you as a guilty? How do you feel about the other votes on your wagon?

I haven't actually thought much about whether or not it makes sense for town!pine to have roleblocked me, or gone back through the thread to see if it's consistent with his stated beliefs.

It would be slightly egotistical of me to think that the scumteam decided specifically on faking a guilty on me just to remove me, especially given how i feel my play's been pretty underwhelming so far this game - that alone makes me feel that there's a good chance he's town. It's not impossible, but as for some big scumteam conspiracy to get rid of me, i really don't have anything to point towards it, so for right now it's probably just not true.

I think someone mentioned gamma being likely scum. I don't understand why BBmol would replace in just to bus his buddy. There was definitely something dodgy about how the wagon went from zero to 100 near EOD when it looked like it was previously impossible to lynch scum.

I think this makes it likely scum was off the wagon, with maybe one max on it, likely near the tail end of the wagon.

How can you say that it's dodgy that it got ran up so quickly and then say that scum was off of the wagon? Doesn't it being dodgy how fast this one got ran up indicate that scum

wanted

it to happen?

That's my initial impression, at least, thinking about it. There were plenty of random compromise wagons at the end of the day yesterday there - it's strange that the one on scum was the one that went through over any of the other ones. To me, that points to bussing.

As the vecna wagon seemed to come out of nowhere, I'd say Hyung was not a counter. Fire, BB, Pine likely town. Titus, PP, Reck are in the suspect spots. PP probably the worst for lurking until jumping on EOD.

NSG, Brian make sense as scum buddies off the wagon. AA9 probably town as much as I dislike her personal attacks. LLD, Ali and Mutant need further investigation.

What makes you think the people near the end of the wagon would be more likely to be scum? If we're going off the assumption that scum bussed, wouldn't it make more sense for them to be at the start? Scum don't need to be at the tail end of a wagon on a buddy popping up near deadline when none of the other EoD wagons went through to completion.

[northsidegal]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.

[Pine]

LLD where are you at with your Hyung read?

[Pine]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.

It’s not a meta read on you. It’s a “this is good townplay” read.

[northsidegal]

Subject: Micro 753: Votefuckery (Game Over)

As for seeing people being survivalistic as town... Well i dont see any reason for her to be survivalistic, her role seems more NU than you'd think, specially if she inherits something like ASP's or bee's role, or heck even mine or Sobolev's. She waited until I was tunneling her, to start complaining about me being a brick wall, instead of engaging me when i wasnt tunneling, doesnt feel like she ever wanted to sort me, and as a result, im gonna predict that she's gonna scumread me, she's been preparing for it for a while.

of course i'm being survivalistic - not only was pretty much the only wagon in the game on me, but also i know for a fact that i'm town. town should never accept their own lynch - it's like accepting a lynch on someone you have a cop innocent on. just because my role might not be the best doesn't mean i'm going to accept my own lynch. truthfully, i'd even accept someone i townread's lynch over my own. maybe it's selfish, but there's always the chance that i'm wrong about that person, whereas i know for a fact that i'm town.

[northsidegal]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.

It’s not a meta read on you. It’s a “this is good townplay” read.

I've already told you that I disagree with the thought that I "need" to die because of this.

Are you saying that I'm scum for disagreeing, or that my opinion is bad and I'm scum for having it or something?

[Alisae]

I tr NSG and Brian dear God help me

[northsidegal]

Regarding Brian Skies, I need to do more meta there I suppose. His changing his read on me from town to scum is

really

strange and gives me massive pings that he's trying to WK a lynch or buddy me from what he knows is a false "guilty". The thing is, if that's the case then it's almost certain he's not actually 1-shot BP, and saw the incredibly opportunity to give himself an excuse to live to endgame and semi-"clear" himself. What I'm not sure on is whether or not that's something he'd do as scum - it's a pretty bold play.

[Pine]

I tr NSG and Brian dear God help me

Defend your NSG TR?

Non hostile inquiry. I TR the fuck out of you rn

[Alisae]

I tr NSG and Brian dear God help me

Defend your NSG TR?

Non hostile inquiry. I TR the fuck out of you rn

I buy all of the ate and all of post just few really fucking towny