Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Alisae]

Oh wait I read that wrong lmfao

[xRECKONERx]

correct

which is why we'll never know his claim to be true or not

pay attention

[Alisae]

Nevermind carry on

[Pine]

Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!

Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.

To be fair, I feel this is in my scumrange.

Also, what the fuck definition of "Occam" is Titus using? Occam's rusty pocketknife, developed by William of Occam's less-well-known-for-a-reason kid brother Stevie-Ray of Occam?

[Pine]

correct

which is why we'll never know his claim to be true or not

pay attention

Thank you

[Brian Skies]

correct

which is why we'll never know his claim to be true or not

pay attention

I feel like NSG townflip + lack of other role that could have prevented the NK would make me town. But what would I know?

Although if NSG is town and we go that far, I'm probably dead anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[xRECKONERx]

yeah, so add another point to why we should lynch NSG: we get info on both pine's role AND yours, brian

[Pine]

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired.

NSG flips scum: Yay! Dead scum! Lack of kill likely explained, probTown Brian has a shield

[xRECKONERx]

I'll add:

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired, and that scum have to waste an extra kill just to take out someone they already tried to kill once

[Pine]

Reck get out of my head mmkay?

[Alisae]

Reck get out of my head mmkay?

ur supposed to be in his head cuz title imo

[Pine]

Ummm

Some joke about not swinging that way

Dammit I had something for this

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: NSG

[northsidegal]

we have a dead scum already
ill take playing the long game of having more info / verifiable claims later over "oh gee gosh please dont lynch the vt on the off-chance she's not lying about her role and wasn't actually roleblocked"

My point is that my lynch doesn't actually provide any more space for verifiable claims given Brian's claim. If someone claims, say, doctor later in the game, my having been lynched has a pretty much negligible relationship to the verifiability of that claim.

Also, lol at "off-chance".

you're missing the point -- we don't know that the roleblock is a guilty. we don't know it's not. we do know it's SOMETHING.
it's something that tells us something. and your lynch can provide that information.

brian skies wont ever know if he was actually shot or not until he dies or is endgamed. we can't get info about him except by lynching him
but we CAN get info about what happened last night by lynching you

it's simple

Okay, I'm lynched and flip VT.

The information we get about what happened last night is....

Hm.

What, exactly?



Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.

Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.

[pirate mollie]

looking through vecna's iso I think pine, alisae, reck, fb, lld, gamma emerald and cheeky.

Are these townreads or...?

yeppers. vecna's interactions with those players are not s/s IMO.

Can you explain Reck, GE, and Cheeky to me?

grrr...

I just typed out a big long post, computer ate it. vecna's very first interaction was with gamma emerald who he later hires as a personal assistant. too chummy to be s/s/

his cheeky "very very town" and "happily getting bussed by her teammates" just reads like he was looking to move his vote off of a town player than jumping off of a buddy.

I did save this post:

ok so my trip to africa is starting today, so ill be restricted to phoneposting. Gamma Emerald is hired, starting imediately, as my vote counting assistant. Since NSG seems to be doing a devent job as well, starting now, hes my vote counting assistant-deputy.

voteparking on arc due to popular request. Reck and mutant seem to be panicking slightly, but it doesnt feel particulalrly scummy to me. Still pretty underwhelmed by all recent devellopments.

Still completely happy to wagon fire or pine.

votecount:

arcangel9 - 1 - (vecna)

apparently we have 8 days and a bit again untill deadline. hurray

I don't think he wld say that about both scum!reck and scum!mutantdelve. I think mutant is more likely to be scum than reck (plus some of the posts I read by reck looked good). if mutant flips town I will do a reeval.

[northsidegal]

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired.

No? I don't see why you would assume that another protective role doesn't exist.

[Brian Skies]

Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.

Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.

You need to pick a stance on me.

You can't both use my claim as a reason to discredit the roleblock on you AND try to fish out another claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would there be 3 protective roles and no kill? That boggles my mind but I have no experience with modding so I'm going to try to meta the mod, but like rationally too many protectives is a yuck factor to me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not going to try*

[northsidegal]

Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.

Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.

You need to pick a stance on me.

You can't both use my claim as a reason to discredit the roleblock on you AND try to fish out another claim.

Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.

I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's

literally unambiguous

that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".

Why would there be 3 protective roles and no kill? That boggles my mind but I have no experience with modding so I'm going to try to meta the mod, but like rationally too many protectives is a yuck factor to me.

Third? Only one has been claimed, I'm suggesting a second could exist.

[northsidegal]

Cheeky the fact that you still have your vote on me for "ignoring you" doesn't sit well with me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Third? Only one has been claimed, I'm suggesting a second could exist.

Roleblock & BP makes two no?

[xRECKONERx]

@nsg:

the lynch does provide more space, especially later on down the road. it gives us our "best leading theory".

if you're scum: it forces scum's hand to kill pine because he's basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)
if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

it significantly narrows scum's options with a lynch on you

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

[northsidegal]

Third? Only one has been claimed, I'm suggesting a second could exist.

Roleblock & BP makes two no?

I don't consider a roleblocker to be a protective role. In terms of roles that could potentially stop a kill I don't see why three is unreasonable but I don't necessarily have a reason to believe that there are three over just two right now.

I modded a game where there were three roles that could stop a kill.

[pirate mollie]

@nsg:

the lynch does provide more space, especially later on down the road. it gives us our "best leading theory".

if you're scum: it forces scum's hand to kill pine because he's basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)
if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

it significantly narrows scum's options with a lynch on you

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

^ this