Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Brian Skies]

Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.

I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's literally unambiguous that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".

I get that you were scumreading me before this, but I feel like you're more interested in keeping me open as a lynch option than understanding why I claimed.

Also, there's no guarantee there's another protective or other role that could have interfered with the NK.

But you're stating that:
1) You're town
2) I could be scum
3) There could be another role that prevented the kill

It's like you're trying to move the wagon from you onto me, while at the same time trying to draw out another claim as you do so.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky the fact that you still have your vote on me for "ignoring you" doesn't sit well with me.

I think you're scum it sits fine from my pov. You'll also see my lean towards you being scum after brian vote hopped onto you the second time.

The more brian posts though the more I think mutant is your partner if you're scum because of your early defense of him.

I think there's enough info for a quick lynch not to matter today tbh.

[northsidegal]

if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

This relies on the assumption that Brian was the target of the scum NK.

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

I disagree, as I've already said.

Why would scum not be able to kill me if theoretically everyone agreed that I was town?

What's more, there's always such thing as becoming clear from associations of a scum flip.

[Firebringer]

I don’t think nsg was trying to keep you open as a lynch, but I can see that interpretation.

I actually still don’t think we should lynch NSG and would prefer Titus

[CheekyTeeky]

It's like you're trying to move the wagon from you onto me, while at the same time trying to draw out another claim as you do so.

I don't see this at all.

[xRECKONERx]

nsg i have no idea how you're gonna flip. it's 50/50 for me and it's basically all purely claim/setup related.

my gut tells me that brian being scum with you is more likely than you being scum by yourself
or that pine is scum with you
like you got blocked, brian claimed to distance and gain town cred/cast doubt on nsg's claim
or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

it's purely conjecture and paranoia. but i want to be clear that my push on you is not related to your behavior
and tbh i dont care to try because im convinced that REGARDLESS of if you're town or scum this is the right way to go

[northsidegal]

Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.

I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's literally unambiguous that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".

I get that you were scumreading me before this, but I feel like you're more interested in keeping me open as a lynch option than understanding why I claimed.

Also, there's no guarantee there's another protective or other role that could have interfered with the NK.

But you're stating that:
1) You're town
2) I could be scum
3) There could be another role that prevented the kill

It's like you're trying to move the wagon from you onto me, while at the same time trying to draw out another claim as you do so.

Why in the world would I be moving the wagon

onto

you, even if I were scum?

I'm literally pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in people's reasoning from an objective standpoint, because that way people can understand it not just looking at it from the PoV of me being town.

All of those numbered things you listed are objective truths.

No, you can't possibly say that I'm trying to draw out another claim when multiple times I've said that people shouldn't claim.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Titus

I feel good about most of my townreads.
Not lynch NSG gonna give her my invention leash and she will play well with us

[Pine]

Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

[CheekyTeeky]

or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

Really? How do you propose we deal with Pine tomorrow if she flips town?

[Brian Skies]

nsg i have no idea how you're gonna flip. it's 50/50 for me and it's basically all purely claim/setup related.

my gut tells me that brian being scum with you is more likely than you being scum by yourself
or that pine is scum with you
like you got blocked, brian claimed to distance and gain town cred/cast doubt on nsg's claim
or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

it's purely conjecture and paranoia. but i want to be clear that my push on you is not related to your behavior
and tbh i dont care to try because im convinced that REGARDLESS of if you're town or scum this is the right way to go

I don't like this, but I feel like this is more likely to come from town than scum.

In a 'this is probably caught scum and I feel like taking the risk' sort of way.

[xRECKONERx]

if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

This relies on the assumption that Brian was the target of the scum NK.

yes, and based on the info we have, it's one or the other. and even if there is another potential town power role, i dont want them to claim, and if their claim complicates the situation then it's even MORE reason to lynch you so that they have more info on what their action did.

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

I disagree, as I've already said.

Why would scum not be able to kill me if theoretically everyone agreed that I was town?

What's more, there's always such thing as becoming clear from associations of a scum flip.

because there's enough doubt created about your role and actions to get a lynch on you later, which is invaluable for scum

setting up future lynches & making sure you have options is super important as scum
you existing in the gamestate ensures they always have an out so there's no way they'd kill you

[Alisae]

NSG gimmie a votecount

[Firebringer]

Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

Do what you want, it won’t hurt you but I kind of don’t care either way. I meant to give these glasses to people who I thought I might need to keep tabs on and ur not really one of those

[xRECKONERx]

or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

Really? How do you propose we deal with Pine tomorrow if she flips town?

as i said it's entirely conjecture. so i dont propose anything

i have a feeling that pine/brian and the Truth of What Happened will sort itself out after a nsg flip eventually

[CheekyTeeky]

In a 'this is probably caught scum and I feel like taking the risk' sort of way.

I'm not seeing this either lmao.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

this makes me happy but also my biggest blind spot is people agreeing with me which doesnt help my pine paranoia

but there's absolutely a 0% chance i see pine voted before nsg is flipped

[northsidegal]

Cheeky the fact that you still have your vote on me for "ignoring you" doesn't sit well with me.

I think you're scum it sits fine from my pov. You'll also see my lean towards you being scum after brian vote hopped onto you the second time.

The more brian posts though the more I think mutant is your partner if you're scum because of your early defense of him.

I think there's enough info for a quick lynch not to matter today tbh.

Do you really believe this?

[Firebringer]

Hey NSG if I give you these glasses on you have to put them on every night.

[xRECKONERx]

can we vote to decrease the night deadline btw

[CheekyTeeky]

i have a feeling that pine/brian and the Truth of What Happened will sort itself out after a nsg flip eventually

You mean like post game after scum win? Thats going to take 3 potential mislynches to get to the bottom of your thinking. I know I town read you for some reasons but imma have to look back when I have more time, particularly if we do flip NSG.

[northsidegal]

Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

Wow, this post nearly made me lose my demeanor.

I'll say the same thing to you I said to RC when he's being crazy -

disagreeing with someone is not "handwaving", or "ignoring", or anything else.

Disagreeing with someone is disagreeing. You may see rationality in what reck's saying. I don't.

That doesn't make me scum.

[northsidegal]

VOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY

[Alisae]

can we vote to decrease the night deadline btw

this please
Reck you run 72 hour nights tho :/

[Firebringer]

VOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY

Is this a joke?