Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ouroboros]

Man your arrogance in thinking that you can try to strongarm a defense of your partner here is staggering.

[Nero Cain]

I'm policy dayvigging the next person to vote a claimed mason.

[Nero Cain]

Also, who'd like to give me $20 so I can buy diablo 2 and the expansion?

[Ouroboros]

Okay I'm pissed off at the level of disrespect here: I'll tryhard this and make a case.

We are not lynching anyone besides Ventriloquist I will completely throw this game on its head to make sure this happens. You think that I'm scum then you can help me bus because I

100% promise

that if I am scum I am bussing.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Man your arrogance in thinking that you can try to strongarm a defense of your partner here is staggering.

I’m MANvetoing your push. on account that your last 5 town games all had <rand reads.

deal with in, grow some balls, and become a REAL MAN

if you vote verylazy with me and get his red flip you’ll get one ball back

[Ouroboros]

Get bent my reads were bad because I had a bunch of shitheads making shit wagons on me. This isn't about my reads this is about Ventriloquist being obvious scum and you not being bad enough to be this far off course.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

I'm policy dayvigging the next person to vote a claimed mason.

who the fuck claimed mason?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Get bent my reads were bad because I had a bunch of shitheads making shit wagons on me. This isn't about my reads this is about Ventriloquist being obvious scum and you not being bad enough to be this far off course.

you’re the one whose off course here.

grow a pair and join the REAL MEN

[Ouroboros]

I claim masons with whoever is being wagoned that isn't Ventriloquist.

you’re the one whose off course here.

grow a pair and join the REAL MEN

Be a better scum player next time

[Nero Cain]

I'm policy dayvigging the next person to vote a claimed mason.

who the fuck claimed mason?

I mistyped miller lol

[Ouroboros]

Actually you know what I genuinely think that making a case is -equity here and that just focusing on core points and yelling at people to vote Ventriloquist is going to have better results so

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

I claim masons with whoever is being wagoned that isn't Ventriloquist.

you’re the one whose off course here.

grow a pair and join the REAL MEN

Be a better scum player next time

your balls are missing from your most recent town games

your new style of townpushing is impotent without MAN sperm


grow a pair and join REAL MEN

you’re getting priority, before other normies do

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Actually you know what I genuinely think that making a case is -equity here and that just focusing on core points and yelling at people to vote Ventriloquist is going to have better results so

disregarding a MAN veto is -equity for the entire town

[Ouroboros]

Okay so I'm locking in here

Ventriloquist is lockscum
Impossibear is lockscum
MWNN is probably scum

VOTE: Ventriloquist

You're literally like a broken record - how rudimentary is this logic? Impossibear doesn't agree with you so Impossibear must be scum? In what world would a mafia aligned player defend another mafia aligned player so damn hard, knowing that they would both go down together?

MWNN has not given substantial reasons for any of his votes, he has simply changed it several times and given some vague reasoning which never really materialises - once more he always changes his vote back to whatever Ouroboros is going with, despite voting elsewhere briefly (to create the illusion of actually having his own voice) - Given the way in which MWNN and REALMEN instantly rallied around you, it wouldn't surprise me if you're all scum together. Ouroboros 'probably' reading MWNN makes perfect sense here, making it seem like MWNN is on his radar as a bad guy (thus distancing himself) yet never putting him at the top, therefore not having to consider lynching him.

Taking the saying of the best defense is a good offense to a whole new level.

Oh, so it's gonna be one of those games

AKA, literally every game I'm in

You're reading me as scum but you think this whole don't lynch me because I always get lynched card isn't dubious?

ETL you have displayed absolutely zero respect for my reads earlier, my scumread on Ventriloquist or my own ability to look into the wagon.
If you don't understand why I am scumreading the slot then you certainly shouldn't be saying shit about me being oblivious to the development of the wagon.
I echo the same general ideas that Alchemist had about the way they talk to me being extremely scum leaning but I have very specific ideas here as opposed to Alchemist's vague idea.

Also in defense of Ventriloquist, you've cited MWNN and RMOJ as your reasons for opposing the wagon development.
This doesn't pan out well because although they are voting, neither of their votes are particularly enthusiastic in a way that signifies that they couldn't be scum bussing.

RealMenOnlyJungle has several times after he joined the wagon tried to be like HEY LETS WAGON VERYLAZY INSTEAD.
MWNN took a lot of prompting and comments about his likeliness of being aligned with Ventriloquist before he decided to vote there and hasn't specifically pushed it himself.

Your engagement with me has also been fundamentally monodirectional: rather than trying to understand why my read is what it is you've gotten mad at me for not sharing your reads and been like HEY YOU SHOULD BE READING THIS INSTEAD. I'm not going to claim to be perfect town. But when you make a list of people who can read you and then say that you're a better scum player it makes me extremely skeptical of your ability to fairly judge how good you are: there is literally no one on this site who can claim that they can read me among several people who have told me they've read every single game I've played, and I have one of the largest bodies of work of anyone on this site.

I'm not townreading lazy worth shit: it's completely null. I simply think that the wagon on them is highly liable to be a scum counterwagon.

When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost.

Don't fail to make any mental effort to appreciate why I'm scumreading a slot then call me bad town for faiing to scumread it, assuming you're town.

Never, ever, ever fail to lynch this slot tomorrow if (when) Ventriloquist flips scum. Don't cop them, don't investigate them, don't discuss with them, just quicklynch them.

It isn't fair to say ETL showed no respect for your reads earlier - fact of the matter is they went through all the posts on page 16 and ultimately decided they didn't agree with your reads - Impossibear still took the time to hear you out at least. Meanwhile, you've ignored the vast majority of Impossibear's posts - posts which actually analyse a huge quantity of players posts. Nice try discrediting the reads since she disagreed with you though, I guess you like to manipulate facts.

MWNN was never being scumread by anyone else as my teammate, only you - when in actuality the close connection you've had with each other - MWNN voting in a similar way to you, and you keeping MWNN at just enough arm's distance to avoid suspicion, actually reads as you two working together from where I'm reading. MWNN did not want to vote for me but eventually came around to the idea...almost as if it was inevitable hey - and his reasoning was because 'I'm not a leader' wow, just wow.

You can already see Ouroboros rubbing their hands with this quote - 'When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost'

I backed off on Ventriloquist because I regretted actually showing that scumread because I wanted to see how he'd develop without me doing anything.

I later decided I was sure enough that he was scum and I just went for it.

My initial posts had some vague reads, sure (an idea about Tchill, genuinely my first week on this forum - I assumed it was credible to consider the jester role) and what I said about Wilky didn't bring anything new to the table I'll admit - but given that I hadn't said anything up to that point and the thread was already blowing up I obviously had to show my face, and in the absence of having any significant reads I just said some general observations because I thought it was more productive than, hey, I don't know, jumping onto a voting bandwagon with no reasoning. On top of that, I did vote for Ramcius and a gave strong reasoning for doing so.

Meanwhile you chose to take advantage of my lack of experience and turn it into a 'scumread' - then popped some joke, palming it off as a 'meme' when it didn't go your way. As soon as the pressure came off and I'd left the forum you got back onto my wagon, knowing I wasn't around to defend myself.

Yeah I could get on board with a Vent wagon too

Is it not possible Tchill has a jester role of some sort? Not suggesting an insta win but I don't see how his claim could be helpful to town otherwise.

It wouldn't surprise me if Wilky has done research and is relying on the miller claim because he realises the host has done this before, especially since he chose to highlight that it wasn't far fetched for there to be 2 millers again. As Alchemist said though, this is relying on some pretty niche assumptions so I'm not buying it just yet.

Very suspicious post

Almost forgot, might as well elaborate on why I find this post very suspicious, because why not

He uses some rather

absurd

leaps in logic in two separate cases to paint a narrative picture about these two players, deliberately ignoring Occam's Razor in favor of stirring up WIFOM.

What is more likely? That TChill is running a Jester gambit? Or that TChill is fakeclaiming? TChill's was by far the least believable claim so far, and the most awkward (considering Kaede is mod-confirmed). By bringing up some a longshot possiblity, Vent is indirectly mounting a soft defense of TChill.

Simultaneously, he attempts to cast suspicion on Wilky with a similarly absurd leap. What's more likely? That Wilky is claiming Miller truthfully in a game run by a mod who apparently has a habit of these kinds of setup quirks? Or that Wilky is deliberately playing off mod meta to mount a roundabout fakeclaim gambit, with a claim that is by its nature instantly considered suspect by default?

I don't like that whatsoever. And after we get the VC I might consider switching my vote right now.

Maybe fakeclaiming is more likely, but that doesn't mean I wasn't trying to help. Either way, I acknowledged that his claim was not believable WHICH IS WHY I suggested joker in the first place, why else make yourself so lynchable? But if you were game for a Tchill lynch and the jester possibility really is so absurd, then why aren't you voting for them instead?

I never made a strong claim against Wilky, but it was odd how he said it wouldn't be far-fetched to have another game with 2 millers when this moderator has done it before. It's like he'd done his research, found the link then knew it was credible because it isn't the first time. I wasn't saying this was the case but it wasn't inaccurate to discuss.

so you vote town because you're not 'man' enough to cope with resistance on lynching scum?

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

wait didn't someone just say this is what you do as scum

And last but not least, play nice people - we are all here to have fun, are we not?

I've had my say so, up to you guys now.

Also, VOTE: MWNN - my nomination, if Ouroboros truly does think he is 'probably' scum then he can prove it.

If this guy doesn't have an alternative PT to be posting in, why the fuck is he making several separate posts in several separate posts?
This is an individual account, not a hydra, and given that they are new they don't have the ability to even make PTs.

Where is he making these separate posts properly forum formatted to be posted together when, if he's town, doesn't have access to any MS PTs?
Why is he taking so long and waiting to post everything together in the first place? What reasoning makes sense there besides him being scum who was holding off to let his team critique his posting?

Town has zero motivation to delay responses until later since clearly he had written these well in advance of 2:23- scum who is getting scumread because of their bad play and wanting team support does.

[Ouroboros]

Actually you know what I genuinely think that making a case is -equity here and that just focusing on core points and yelling at people to vote Ventriloquist is going to have better results so

disregarding a MAN veto is -equity for the entire town

Treating this as a guilty on Ventriloquists scumflip. bye.

[Ouroboros]

Actually you know what I genuinely think that making a case is -equity here and that just focusing on core points and yelling at people to vote Ventriloquist is going to have better results so

disregarding a MAN veto is -equity for the entire town

Treating this as a guilty on Ventriloquists scumflip. bye.

[Ouroboros]

HEBICHAN, WHY HAVE YOU TWICE TRIED TO CREATE COUNTERWAGONS TO VENTRILOQUIST NOW?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Actually you know what I genuinely think that making a case is -equity here and that just focusing on core points and yelling at people to vote Ventriloquist is going to have better results so

disregarding a MAN veto is -equity for the entire town

Treating this as a guilty on Ventriloquists scumflip. bye.

REAL MEN know that ventriloquists is flipping town

just like the rest of your UNMANLY pushes from 2018

[Ouroboros]

I'm waiting for you to defend your buddy more let's hear it

REAL MEN know that ventriloquists is flipping town

just like the rest of your UNMANLY pushes from 2018

I am bad in games with people who make me play bad in games: people doing shit like Kaede wants to do. I had more than enough time and space to get on track and I will carry this one.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

I'm waiting for you to defend your buddy more let's hear it

REAL MEN know that ventriloquists is flipping town

just like the rest of your UNMANLY pushes from 2018

I am bad in games with people who make me play bad in games: people doing shit like Kaede wants to do. I had more than enough time and space to get on track and I will carry this one.

MAN vetos exist to prevent you from playing bad in yet another game

if you’re playing poker you would have lost your bankroll 10 times over with all those failed all-in pushes you make

good thing we don’t charge anything here!

[Ouroboros]

Also please note WRT RMOJ that he did absolutely nothing in terms of resisting this wagon when it looked like it was going through: he didn't want to be seen jumping off of the wagon while it seemed like it was going through.
As soon as it looked like things were stalling with a couple jumps off he's off looking for alternative wagons and using the exact same posts that he coached Ventriloquist as an excuse.

MAN vetos exist to prevent you from playing bad in yet another game

if you’re playing poker you would have lost your bankroll 10 times over with all those failed all-in pushes you make

good thing we don’t charge anything here!

I mean you can keep discrediting me but I don't think it's going to do you a lot of good here. I found myself again on other mafia sites getting away from my reputation. I solved the recently finished micro D1.
You should have just stuck with bussing, I would probably have lynched Impossibear before you just on principle.

[Ouroboros]

If this guy doesn't have an alternative PT to be posting in, why the fuck is he making several separate posts in several separate posts?
This is an individual account, not a hydra, and given that they are new they don't have the ability to even make PTs.

Where is he making these separate posts properly forum formatted to be posted together when, if he's town, doesn't have access to any MS PTs?
Why is he taking so long and waiting to post everything together in the first place? What reasoning makes sense there besides him being scum who was holding off to let his team critique his posting?

Town has zero motivation to delay responses until later since clearly he had written these well in advance of 2:23- scum who is getting scumread because of their bad play and wanting team support does.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

stop writing words and threats to lynch a MAN

REAL MEN know that they’re all empty

Because RC is no longer a MAN

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

people here all know that you’ve lost your MANhood

nobody here’s actually going to follow you, real talk, MAN to man

I’m offering you a chance to grow your pair back

[Ouroboros]

Again in the world where you're town I can't help not caring if you get mislynched any more than I care if Impossibear gets mislynched.
There's a lot of big game talking and then backing down when results are actually being expected of you.

people here all know that you’ve lost your MANhood

nobody here’s actually going to follow you, real talk, MAN to man

I’m offering you a chance to grow your pair back