Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Hey REAL, what do you think of this post?

guys, if you want PL lurker, lynch Wraith/Tchill, Dunn/very is just daed weight and not much info to gain from them

Are we

really

still going to fucking call me scum after that Vent flip? Fucking really?

And frankly while I'm certain Ouro is town now it's rather bizarre behavior that they pushed so hard for a Vent lynch and then once they finally got it

immediately

turned against the people who had pushed for it with them the most.

VOTE: Ank

This or TChill. But Ank's insistence that town should not lynch Vent because "D1 scumlynches are bad" is insanely suspicious.

i think 1069 is slightly scummy but 1070 is a bit more towny

net balance: lean town on wraith

[Ramcius]

is this really a world where RC, ETL, and REAL MEN are town?? is it really???

inb4 RC is not town, scumbussing his partner as he usually does and is here to cut our innocent heads off like the evil scum maniac he is

is it the world, where all 3 of you are scum and bussed poor Vent, because he's not from your crew?

if you think that's the world you should concede right now because theres a 0% chance of town winning

No, i will wait RC to buss you two and then i get him for epic finale of this game

a cockroach trying to fight a god. ignorance.

nah, i just don't like surrender, also, pride is one of seven deadly sins FYI

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

is this really a world where RC, ETL, and REAL MEN are town?? is it really???

inb4 RC is not town, scumbussing his partner as he usually does and is here to cut our innocent heads off like the evil scum maniac he is

is it the world, where all 3 of you are scum and bussed poor Vent, because he's not from your crew?

if you think that's the world you should concede right now because theres a 0% chance of town winning

No, i will wait RC to buss you two and then i get him for epic finale of this game

a cockroach trying to fight a god. ignorance.

nah, i just don't like surrender, also, pride is one of seven deadly sins FYI

the foolish pride of the cockroach will get him slain by the god. in 0.0000000001 seconds.

also, your posts do this to me:

[Ankamius]

Really?

Ramcius' vote on me looks stiff and preplanned, but that one from Wraith looks like he actually believes I'm scum for that.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Really?

Ramcius' vote on me looks stiff and preplanned, but that one from Wraith looks like he actually believes I'm scum for that.

isn't that a good thing? that he actually believes you're scum. that makes wraith town from your testimony

[Ramcius]

the foolish pride of the cockroach will get him slain by the god. in 0.0000000001 seconds.

also, your posts do this to me:

don't mistake my honour with yours foolish pride

also, why didn't i felt might of your god?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

the foolish pride of the cockroach will get him slain by the god. in 0.0000000001 seconds.

also, your posts do this to me:

don't mistake my honour with yours foolish pride

also, why didn't i felt might of your god?

because i am the nice god

RC and ETL gods arent as nice

[Ankamius]

Really?

Ramcius' vote on me looks stiff and preplanned, but that one from Wraith looks like he actually believes I'm scum for that.

isn't that a good thing? that he actually believes you're scum. that makes wraith town from your testimony

Yes, I think Wraith is town for that.

[Ramcius]

the foolish pride of the cockroach will get him slain by the god. in 0.0000000001 seconds.

also, your posts do this to me:

don't mistake my honour with yours foolish pride

also, why didn't i felt might of your god?

because i am the nice god

RC and ETL gods arent as nice

it's interesting word choice to describe "powerless"

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

holy fuck

now i know what ETL felt when she said she didnt want to talk to perceived dumb n00b random meme alts

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

i should do ETL a favor and show her my Badge of ETL's Approval

then again judging from her tone i don't think its necessary day 2 onwards

sorry ETL i've been an ass

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You know what's interesting Ank?
After Vent flipped scum one of the things that crossed my mind was to enter this game voting you.

I've been thinking about it tho, and I dont think scum quickhammers their partner in that situation, it's more likely for vent to just self-hammer, gives less information overall.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

*enter this day
EBWODP

[Ankamius]

You know what's interesting Ank?
After Vent flipped scum one of the things that crossed my mind was to enter this game voting you.

I've been thinking about it tho, and I dont think scum quickhammers their partner in that situation, it's more likely for vent to just self-hammer, gives less information overall.

I'm not afraid to bus.

[Ouroboros]

RMOJ I don't care if I underperform with towns who are shitty to me
I have 0 reservations about lynching you and having you flip town after you shat on me all of D1 and were proven wrong and are now calling me out for having bussed ventriloquist in a situation where based on his reaction to the situation it was pretty obviously not a bus. If I have to lynch you to get back to even standing I have no problems doing so then scumhunting again tomorrow.

[Ouroboros]

Like I already think that you're at least second to top bracket scum equity based on associations: talk shit about my scumgame or call me scum again and you are lynched today.
If you're town go do something useful and don't hard defend scum again.

[Ouroboros]

talk shit about my towngame, think the meaning was once again clear.

For the record: almost all of my last second read switches were because I thought that he was claiming town. Given that he's not town, I'm kind of in a weird position of trying to sort out which of my read 180s were based on legitimate reads of the game versus trying to find another solve of the game based on wrongful exclusion.

[Ouroboros]

Ouroboros still town obviously
Ankamius town
Wraith town
Kaede town
Alchemist21 town

that's my 100% list, I'll branch out from there

[Ouroboros]

I believe that Wilky is the lynch of the day but I'm still thinking

[hebichan]

ETL you have displayed absolutely zero respect for my reads earlier, my scumread on Ventriloquist or my own ability to look into the wagon.
If you don't understand why I am scumreading the slot then you certainly shouldn't be saying shit about me being oblivious to the development of the wagon.
I echo the same general ideas that Alchemist had about the way they talk to me being extremely scum leaning but I have very specific ideas here as opposed to Alchemist's vague idea.

Also in defense of Ventriloquist, you've cited MWNN and RMOJ as your reasons for opposing the wagon development.
This doesn't pan out well because although they are voting, neither of their votes are particularly enthusiastic in a way that signifies that they couldn't be scum bussing.

RealMenOnlyJungle has several times after he joined the wagon tried to be like HEY LETS WAGON VERYLAZY INSTEAD.
MWNN took a lot of prompting and comments about his likeliness of being aligned with Ventriloquist before he decided to vote there and hasn't specifically pushed it himself.

Your engagement with me has also been fundamentally monodirectional: rather than trying to understand why my read is what it is you've gotten mad at me for not sharing your reads and been like HEY YOU SHOULD BE READING THIS INSTEAD. I'm not going to claim to be perfect town. But when you make a list of people who can read you and then say that you're a better scum player it makes me extremely skeptical of your ability to fairly judge how good you are: there is literally no one on this site who can claim that they can read me among several people who have told me they've read every single game I've played, and I have one of the largest bodies of work of anyone on this site.

I'm not townreading lazy worth shit: it's completely null. I simply think that the wagon on them is highly liable to be a scum counterwagon.

When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost.

Don't fail to make any mental effort to appreciate why I'm scumreading a slot then call me bad town for faiing to scumread it, assuming you're town.

Never, ever, ever fail to lynch this slot tomorrow if (when) Ventriloquist flips scum. Don't cop them, don't investigate them, don't discuss with them, just quicklynch them.

It isn't fair to say ETL showed no respect for your reads earlier - fact of the matter is they went through all the posts on page 16 and ultimately decided they didn't agree with your reads - Impossibear still took the time to hear you out at least. Meanwhile, you've ignored the vast majority of Impossibear's posts - posts which actually analyse a huge quantity of players posts. Nice try discrediting the reads since she disagreed with you though, I guess you like to manipulate facts.

MWNN was never being scumread by anyone else as my teammate, only you - when in actuality the close connection you've had with each other - MWNN voting in a similar way to you, and you keeping MWNN at just enough arm's distance to avoid suspicion, actually reads as you two working together from where I'm reading. MWNN did not want to vote for me but eventually came around to the idea...almost as if it was inevitable hey - and his reasoning was because 'I'm not a leader' wow, just wow.

You can already see Ouroboros rubbing their hands with this quote - 'When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost'

Not only did Impossibear defend vent, vent went out of his way to defend impossibear.

Why was there a mutual defense thing going on?

VOTE: Impossibear

I know I look a bit bad for jumping off the wagon at some point, but dunno, I think the bear slot is my most likely scumread atm after skimming the isos.

[hebichan]

That last sentence got a bit mangled in my morning haze.

That's my scumread most likely to flip scum.

And also I look bad, but I ha my reasons, mostly I didn't want a quickhammer when I wasn't 100% sure of vent flipping scum yesterday.

[Ouroboros]

So everything in the initial Wilky push from me still stands: the approach to Davesaz's claim was bad.

There's also his later day which is absolutely horrible knowing that MWNN is town, he thought MWNN/Ventriloquist were likely scumpartners but he was only willing to vote MWNN and then SR Vent if MWNN flipped scum. The scum strategy at that point seemed to be to lynch MWNN based on Vent's actions so that lines up and then the point at EOD where he eventually decides to jump to Ventriloquist when it's inevitable feels pretty bad

fwiw I dislike your jump off but my feelings on your slot are mixed because there's several points in the game that I townread. no strong read one way or the other atm

[Ouroboros]

Wilky hard pushes MWNN,

using my logic for why MWNN and Ventriloquist are connected to help push MWNN

, but never gives a read or talks to Ventriloquist at all until the lynch is inevitable where he lazy hops on.

[Ouroboros]

So lynching scum is bad for town? Ank has absolutely collapsed under a slight bit of pressure here.

VOTE: vent

L-1

Also even when he's voting Ventriloquist he's trying to setup a future mislynch.

VOTE: Wilky

[Impossibear]

Hey Ouro - can we discuss reads?

ETL