How exactly does your example for my 3 posts in the other game match the post I made here?In post 95, TheYankeeReaper wrote:Yep. Needs more pressure votes.Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: ceejayinova
This sounds incredibly ingenuine. Particularly this:skitter30 wrote:I don't know what the 'right' reaction would've been, but ignoring me calling you scummy and then voting me wasn't it.In post 88, the worst wrote:I'm really not sure how to engage with you about your read on me skitter. you literally nitpicked a shitpost and said you're getting "scummy vibes" from me.
Anybody else feel this way?"but ignoring me calling you scummy"
Will post more later. No time for love, Dr. Jones.
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Um. What if UD and Sando really are ignorant of the fact that mafia can't kill? I glossed over those posts and thought them NAI, because they could go either way.In post 161, Draynth wrote:I only gave the thread a quick skim on the first read through so I'm gonna go back and think about some posts now.
Only ones that really stand out are
Town - Skitter
Scum - UD , Sando (based on 154)Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst-
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Where are you going with this?In post 250, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
How exactly does your example for my 3 posts in the other game match the post I made here?In post 95, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
Yep. Needs more pressure votes.Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: ceejayinova
This sounds incredibly ingenuine. Particularly this:skitter30 wrote:
I don't know what the 'right' reaction would've been, but ignoring me calling you scummy and then voting me wasn't it.In post 88, the worst wrote:I'm really not sure how to engage with you about your read on me skitter. you literally nitpicked a shitpost and said you're getting "scummy vibes" from me.
Anybody else feel this way?"but ignoring me calling you scummy"
Will post more later. No time for love, Dr. Jones.
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Neither of us were ignorant of it, we both assumed it due to the role PMs not mentioning it, and we both missed the actual statement in the mechanics part that is totally clear.In post 251, ceejayvinoya wrote:Um. What if UD and Sando really are ignorant of the fact that mafia can't kill? I glossed over those posts and thought them NAI, because they could go either way.-
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+1 I try and not read anything except my alignment unless I have like...responsibilities.-
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True. I guess given your vote I can now assume you're actually talking scuminess and you've decided to step up to the plate?In post 254, ManWithNoName wrote:True or false? The only time you would possibly read the mafia role PM and not the Werewolf PM is if you rolled Mafia.
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I have my reasoning in a zip file. Let me unzip and get back to you.In post 248, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
Can you tell the rest of the class why you're reading those three town?In post 228, AP wrote:OK, serious read.. duckling is town
So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw
Next..YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Duckling should be aware that I read all the role PMs based on prior gameplay with me that I know he's seen The conclusive statement that mafia don't have a NK is not in the role PMs, it's in the opening mechanics post, which I didn't read thoroughly enough evidently.In post 255, the worst wrote:+1 I try and not read anything except my alignment unless I have like...responsibilities.-
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I'm putting AP as town for today, but I disagree with his blanket townreads on MWNN and tw, duckling especially.In post 258, AP wrote:
I have my reasoning in a zip file. Let me unzip and get back to you.In post 248, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
Can you tell the rest of the class why you're reading those three town?In post 228, AP wrote:OK, serious read.. duckling is town
So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw
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your motherIn post 257, TheYankeeReaper wrote:theworst, if you had to pick a scum partner(s) for Espeonage who would it be.
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Why was there any confusion then? Like any did you need to ask the question?In post 256, Sando wrote:
True. I guess given your vote I can now assume you're actually talking scuminess and you've decided to step up to the plate?In post 254, ManWithNoName wrote:True or false? The only time you would possibly read the mafia role PM and not the Werewolf PM is if you rolled Mafia.
So my assumption that mafia do not have an NK was based on reading their role PM and not seeing the NK, AND reading the werewolf one and seeing it mentioned. What about that says to you that I only read one of the role PMs?In this world, there's two types of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.-
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So what I'm taking out of this is you're running a line of questioning here without actually reading the thread, correct?In post 262, ManWithNoName wrote:Why was there any confusion then? Like any did you need to ask the question?
Here's what happened:
UD asks whether we've got confirmation mafia have no kill or if we're all just assuming it
Sando says "well I assumed it cause mafia role PM doesn't have it, but werewolf does"
Draynth then says "you guys are idiots, it's written really clearly"
Sando acknowledges his stupidity
That's what you're pushing against here... I never asked a question throughout, so I don't know what you're on about there.-
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And at what point have I not been up at the plate? Did you not understand that when I was asking questions before the purpose is to sort people with information? You might not understand my methods, but they have worked pretty reliably, so I'll stick to them.In this world, there's two types of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.-
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The non-chalant townie front that you're trying to put up isn't going to make me want to unvote you. Sorry.In post 261, the worst wrote:
your motherIn post 257, TheYankeeReaper wrote:theworst, if you had to pick a scum partner(s) for Espeonage who would it be.
you're a comedian
Espeonage bussing you that early is a real humdinger, pardner.-
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Idk exactly. I'd have expected town!you to talk to me about it, or joke/meme/mock me for reading you wrong. Completely ignoring it only to vote me once someone else does without addressing the initial scumread in any way feels wrong.In post 213, the worst wrote:
ok how does town!tw respond to people scumreading him for awful reasons on d1?In post 205, skitter30 wrote:I haven't played with scum!tw yet but he doesn't really feel like the town!tw I've played with previously to me right now.
Like I'm having a lot of trouble seeing his vote on me come from town!him given past games.
I feel like in general he's trying to gloss over being scumread or is trying to play down people scumreading him.
I'll wait.
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You do realize you're using my reasons to scumread you as reasons to scumread me, right?In post 224, the worst wrote:I don't feel like this is an actual feeling she actually has.
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So, drunk!you thought that NM had successfully tricked scum!esp into hopping on a fake scumslip?In post 226, the worst wrote:first and foremost: does anyone actually think it was dumb of me to miss that Espe's post here was meant to be sarcastic?
it genuinely felt like good ol' fashioned scumfuckery.
Why is this scum!indicative of esp and not just lazy!indicative of esp? Like I don't get why you think this is scummy and not just lazy.
He said his vote was serious cuz he was too lazy to go back and check. I agree that there isn't town motivation in that, but lack of town!motivation != scum!motivation. Like I just think it's a lazy indicator and not an alignment indicator and I'm not getting where you're seeing scum motivation.In post 230, the worst wrote:2) his vote was serious in which case I can't see town motivation in it.
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Why town!duckling?In post 228, AP wrote:OK, serious read.. duckling is town
also @mwnm since you said you had mixed up the duckling's meta and agreed with this.
bottom of page 10, I'll pick up from there in a bit-
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wrt the 'sando/ud scum-not-killing' thing:
=> In general I don't really care if people try to get clarification about the setup or think it's AI, but ud's original post kinda pinged me since we just played a game where scum!him would deliberately invoke the setup and his 'lack' of knowledge of it in an attempt to indicate that he was town.
=> I don't think that knowing that scum don't nk in this setup without seeing it explicitly written out in the OP is particularly meaningful -> like I know that from playing a previous iteration of this game and without reading this OP. Sando coming to that conclusion from reading the role PMs, and I don't find unusual.
=> I do find it weird that sando is defending/speaking for ud and is saying things like 'we both ...' (162 and 253)
=> sando's 169 feels like an overaction to me to mwnn's statement
=> I don't understand the argument btwn sando and mwnn regarding whether ww's are given the title of 'scum' or how this discussion is like relevant or game advancing.-
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In post 261, the worst wrote:
your motherIn post 257, TheYankeeReaper wrote:theworst, if you had to pick a scum partner(s) for Espeonage who would it be.
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I'm not defending UD, I'm attacking MWNN's defective line of questioning. He's running a line without taking the time to understand the context or even read what happened. Town have no motivation to do that, so it's either lazy town play or it's scum-play. He's also making a habit of asking questions that are clearly designed to scumhunt someone (me in this case) yet are followed by a swift retreat when the reasoning behind them is questioned:In post 267, skitter30 wrote:=> I do find it weird that sando is defending/speaking for ud and is saying things like 'we both ...' (162 and 253)
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Are you saying that the worst and Espeonage are scum together?In post 265, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
The non-chalant townie front that you're trying to put up isn't going to make me want to unvote you. Sorry.In post 261, the worst wrote:
your motherIn post 257, TheYankeeReaper wrote:theworst, if you had to pick a scum partner(s) for Espeonage who would it be.
you're a comedian
Espeonagebussingyou that early is a real humdinger, pardner.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst-
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I guess my specific problem with this is that you're saying 'we both assumed it due to the role PMs not mentioning it', when UD hasn't said anything of the sort so like .... how do you know that's what he assumed? Like why are you explaining his thought process for him?In post 253, Sando wrote:
Neither of us were ignorant of it,In post 251, ceejayvinoya wrote:Um. What if UD and Sando really are ignorant of the fact that mafia can't kill? I glossed over those posts and thought them NAI, because they could go either way.we both assumed it due to the role PMs not mentioning it, and we both missed the actual statement in the mechanics part that is totally clear.
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In post 270, Sando wrote:There is a clear pattern here, ask a vague leading question that implies scumminess, when challenged on that, obfuscate and back away whilst denying they were ever actually trying to imply scumminess.
Which is it?In post 270, Sando wrote:so it's either lazy town play or it's scum-play.
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what's your read on me btw?
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sando and mwnn not scum together I think?
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I'm a) leaning 60/40 badtown/scum, and b) typically have atrocious D1 scumreads (my townreads are pretty good though). Only scum areIn post 273, skitter30 wrote:Which is it?motivatedto act in the way he has, but I'd say it's fairly good scumplay and quite a subtle art, so it's more likely to be a townie being silly imo. Then again never played with him, there's certainly people I'd 100% think this was scum from, but I don't know his play at all so I can't judge it very well yet.
Slight town-lean, not today's lynch. I'm curious about your style and have thoughts on it, but I'd like to see how it evolves (or remains unchanged) over the course of a day or two before making a judgement there.In post 273, skitter30 wrote:what's your read on me btw?
Glad someone appreciated itIn post 273, skitter30 wrote:(aside, nice use of 'parochial' )
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