Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[dramonic]

Honestly it's stupid that we should swap anyone in this instance as it's strictly a loss of information, but it's stupid that there would be a swap role to begin with.

or any roles for that matter

EDIT: Oh yeah, that's a safe option

[Eddie Cane]

I. Already. Did. Its. One. Shot. And. Detects. If. There. Is. Scum. In. A. Group.

why would you target the bigger group and your own group
both are suboptimal

[Eddie Cane]

and eddie cane for that matter

i expect eddie cane to more aggressively get himself townread as scum. maybe that's a bad assumption / won't hold true for this game, but i'm not really interested in lynching in my own group at the moment anyways.

probably not a good assumption

[dramonic]

I. Already. Did. Its. One. Shot. And. Detects. If. There. Is. Scum. In. A. Group.

why would you target the bigger group and your own group
both are suboptimal

Technically no, it's one shot and it insures a scum lynch because there's no ground for ambiguity. Either he's scum, or he's found scum.
If he were to target any other group we go into the wifom territory of "what if hes lying to lynch an all-town group".

Of course, we WANT to be suboptimal, so it's moot.

[SirCakez]

i went back to look at death note mafia (great game btw) which was the only game i could recall with wisdom scum and isoed him and yeah he just feels different there, more explaining of stuff, more trying to insinuate with town
this might just be me confbiased tho lol
p-edit

everyone is confident in pine/riku scum so the logic goes if it's not one of them we get the other next day
and there's three pretty confident townreads in 2 (buj, wis, koki) that are worth saving

There is no word for how wrong you are <_<

everyone is confident in pine/riku scum so the logic goes if it's not one of them we get the other next day
and there's three pretty confident townreads in 2 (buj, wis, koki) that are worth saving

Then we should be swapping pine for whoever the most likely to be town in withing G3. If that RMOJ or zMuff...the man...the " "legend" "...the claimer? Or if riku is suspect as well...zMuff could swap himself with riku to double G3's scum prospects.

the issue is i'm not gonna get swapped out because most of the game null/scumreads me, so it will probably be RMOJ but I want death to RMOJ >.<

i also have something that is relevant to the lynching group 3 discussion but lemme think more before revealing it

[havingfitz]

Wisdom is the one who claimed.

There's 3 claims atm with a 4th soft.

flip....p.edit p.edit p.edit p.edit...

[SirCakez]

always true that the only way to guarantee death to scum is to lynch 2
the real question is is it worth sacrificing so many townreads
hmmm

[SirCakez]

i haven't stayed up late for a mafia game like this in a while
it's so exciting

[havingfitz]

why would you target the bigger group and your own group

From his town!POV every group would have 4 unknowns.

[dramonic]

town

reads

Any time, any day.

Worst case scenario we end up 5-2 (with scum using their nightkill) and we can work from what the scum said.
5-2 is not a bad in this setup.


It's not rocket science:

Is scum guaranteed to die?
You fucking do it.

You don't win this game by playing gambits, you win it by lynching scum.

[dramonic]

Okay, correction, we could end up 4-3 if Koki is both lying and town.
I'm choosing to exclude that possibility for my own sanity.

[northsidegal]

dramonic, do you always do this "i already caught all of the scum" thing? completely serious / game-related question.

[zMuffinMan]

pretty much what dram said is what i concluded. agreeing with dram makes feel weird but there's a first time for everything i guess

it's why id be opposed to any dumb ideas like swapping one of pine/riku out, which is especially stupid and suboptimal if they both happen to be scum

it potentially roots us and it's part of why id prefer no swaps

[Eddie Cane]

if we swap 1 person it's fine. no more than that.

[Eddie Cane]

also yes with kok hard claiming wr fo unfortunately have to do group 2

guess u got me wisdom

[SirCakez]

Okay, correction, we could end up 4-3 if Koki is both lying and town.
I'm choosing to exclude that possibility for my own sanity.

lol

wis is probably not gonna let lynching 2 no swaps happen anyway knowing how stubborn he is

[Eddie Cane]

okay let the setup spec guy solve this

does anybody NOT townread wisdom?
does anybody NOT townread muffin?

[dramonic]

dramonic, do you always do this "i already caught all of the scum" thing? completely serious / game-related question.

More often than not, yes.
Although I didn't say I caught ALL the scum.

EDIT: You're probably right Cakez, but I'm entertaining the hope that he's not as bad as he's playing so far this game.
EDITx2: o/ o/

[dramonic]

null towards town in muffin's case.
null for Wisdom.

[havingfitz]

does anybody NOT townread muffin?

I wasn't townreading him. I think he's been better later than earlier and I'm still thinking his claim over.

[zMuffinMan]

if it makes things easier, im town

[Eddie Cane]

do people disagree their claims are pretty damn town indicative?,

[havingfitz]

if it makes things easier, im town

That helps.

[SirCakez]

scum probably have some prs of their own to keep balance so i'm more going off play

[zMuffinMan]

that reminds me, i also thought dram's mod question was most likely genuine