Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There's no scum motivation for either of them to claim miller, but that's not a town tell either, simply put if you're miller everyone knows you should claim it in your first post. wilky's entrance was kinda towny, but then he started pushing the flavor claim as if it would confirm his alignment and that's how i started getting suspicious of it, I mentioned this back in day 1 too.

[Kokichi Oma]

Does someone have a post of claims to make things a little easier for me

[Dunnstral]

Does someone have a post of claims to make things a little easier for me

Davesaz: Miller (claimed first)
Wilky: Miller (claimed second)
Tchill: Hider that can only hide behind scum (claimed third)

[Kokichi Oma]

Oh Miller cc? What the hell. Hahaha

[Kokichi Oma]

Tchill: Hider that can only hide behind scum

What's the point of this?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You misunderstood, he said hider that doesnt die when hiding behind scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Looks like an elaborate way to make a weakened commuter otherwise i dont see the point.

[wilky]

There's no scum motivation for either of them to claim miller, but that's not a town tell either, simply put if you're miller everyone knows you should claim it in your first post. wilky's entrance was kinda towny, but then he started pushing the flavor claim as if it would confirm his alignment and that's how i started getting suspicious of it, I mentioned this back in day 1 too.

Again don't have much time to post but I just want to add the flavour thing wasn't about confirming my alignment to everyone else it was about confirming Dave's to me

[Kokichi Oma]

You misunderstood, he said hider that doesnt die when hiding behind scum.

But, like. What's the point of that then? Like if it's hiding behind scum, can it still be effected by night actions? And if it's behind town it cant?

[Kokichi Oma]

Has anyone seen a game with 2 millers before? Ever?

[Ramcius]

Does someone have a post of claims to make things a little easier for me

Davesaz: Miller (claimed first)
Wilky: Miller (claimed second)
Tchill: Hider that can only hide behind scum (claimed third)

Impossibear is claiming vig of some sort

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm like 100% not the Scum kill, I would assume.

How ironic. Unless a vig shot this?

[Kokichi Oma]

Does someone have a post of claims to make things a little easier for me

Davesaz: Miller (claimed first)
Wilky: Miller (claimed second)
Tchill: Hider that can only hide behind scum (claimed third)

Impossibear is claiming vig of some sort

This makes more sense, I was just isoing MWNN and he wasn't too towny to die.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You misunderstood, he said hider that doesnt die when hiding behind scum.

But, like. What's the point of that then? Like if it's hiding behind scum, can it still be effected by night actions? And if it's behind town it cant?

As I understand it it's a normal hider without the "weak to scum" part, so they wont die from hiding behind scum, they wont be affected by night actions if they hide, and they will die if their target is shot.
That seems like a way convoluted way to fake claim for a scum commuter if you ask me.

[Kokichi Oma]

Does anyone have experience with a modified Hider like this?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

@ETL

a little bit of flawed logic for insta-clearing wilky there.

yes his flavor checks out but it could just be his MANLY SAFECLAIM given by the game host

[Ramcius]

it's goes without a saying that scum have fakeclaims, it would be too easy to break game trough mass flavour claims, when flavour matters

that being said, people seems forgot Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

[wilky]

it's goes without a saying that scum have fakeclaims, it would be too easy to break game trough mass flavour claims, when flavour matters

that being said, people seems forgot Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

I don't think it goes without saying at all unless confirmed.

@mod- are you willing to confirm wether scum have fake claims?

[Ouroboros]

Does anyone have experience with a modified Hider like this?

No.

it's goes without a saying that scum have fakeclaims, it would be too easy to break game trough mass flavour claims, when flavour matters

that being said, people seems forgot Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

Where did Wraith say that? Quote it up?

Ghost

[Ramcius]

it's goes without a saying that scum have fakeclaims, it would be too easy to break game trough mass flavour claims, when flavour matters

that being said, people seems forgot Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

Where did Wraith say that? Quote it up?

Ghost

Daily catch-up

Am I the only person here who's SRing Wilky not because of what they claimed but for the way they did it?

I agree in that I find it strange that he wanted dave to nameclaim but when I asked the same of him before dave he specifically withheld his own name.

However I do find the possibility of a double Miller extremely possible considering this theme.

Please be specific on which votes you're referring to?

Sure, that's true, but given all that like we got Willy to l2 almost effortlessly and this Ramcius push has gotten far less traction.

I also feel like this is less a case of rubbing people wrong and more very specific scummy things that he did.

Feeling the same

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I tentatively think Maria vs Nero is TvT. More confident in a townread on Maria.

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Keep in mind that if we assume there have been no fakeclaims

and that there are 5 scum in this game, then there is only a pool of 10 players that have strong positive PRs.

Okay trying to keep up with my thoughts at the moment.

Assuming no fakeclaims

, with the IC confirmation that leaves a 9-player pool for PRs. Since we have an unknown but presumably significant number of VTs in that pool as well, this means either a very weak town or at least one fakeclaim among the Millers and Tchill.

Right now I'm comfortable with wagons on wilky, REALMEN, Tchill, and Ankamius

About to review the latter two.

Spoiler: Ankamius Quotes of Note

Ok, tomorrow I'm going to get myself caught up in this game.

I promise.

Also, wheeeeeeeeeee

UNVOTE: wilky
VOTE: verylazy

This looks like one of those games where I'll read through and realize I have reads on two slots.

BTW I'm catching up as we speak

I'll have something a bit later on

UNVOTE: verylazy
VOTE: Ventriloquist

I'm still catching up, but I'm far enough to have a strong enough townread on Ouroboros that I'm comfortable sheeping them for right now.

<snip>

UNVOTE: Ventriloquist
VOTE: ManWithNoName

Yeah, kill this with fire.

Spoiler: TChill Quotes of Note

Ooh a Miller claim right out of the gates.

I vote to policy it.

Lol. Now I'd suspect this being scum theater more so than the other thing.

OK I've thought pretty hard and long about this.

I don't see how my role could be a positive for town.

I'm hard claiming hider that can hide behind scum.

I'm hoping it's understandable why I would hard claim this day 1.

If a tracker or watcher was to see me I didn't want to cause confusion.

I have absolutely no way of helping town. Only causing confusion.

Which is why I hard claimed.

Townreads

Tchill
Davesaz
Alchemist21
Hebichan
Our slot obvobv

Lazy townreads

Dunnstral

well i TR this slot because i agree with most of these.

This too

Pretty split on this. VOTE: TChill because Ankamius made something resembling an effort just now.

[Impossibear]

@Ouroboros:

Humor me for one moment and assume the following as true:
RMOJ, Kaede, Impossibear, Wilky, Dave conftown.

Given this information and the vent scumflip, who is his most likely partner?

I'm asking because I believe you clearly saw more in vent's ISO than I did, which gives you better insight into who is related there. Also because I am much better at townhunting than anything else, and I am very confident on the above. However, I don't even know where to begin with Vent, so if I could use your brain with my townreads, that would give me a good place to look deeper.

ETL

tchill - who did you hide behind last night and why?

ETL

I would very much appreciate responses to these, please.

@ETL

a little bit of flawed logic for insta-clearing wilky there.

yes his flavor checks out but it could just be his MANLY SAFECLAIM given by the game host

Yeah I know fake claims exist. So? First of all, what motivates a scum miller to not only claim the way he did but counter dave the way he did?

If there's a wilky case, I'd like to hear it. As of right now, I've read nothing - not even just something convincing, literally nothing about why he's scum. This is looking like it's going to be another RC-rams-his-opinion-down-everyone's-throat day, and I'm not interested in that.

I'm pretty sure someone can clear wilky very easily. They should do that.

tchill on the other hand... why the fuck does anyone think that slot is town??

ETL

[Impossibear]

@Ram - I think you've misunderstood those quotes. It reads to me like Wraith is saying he's assuming none of the claims made at the time were false, not that the mod failed to provide safeclaims at all.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

@Ouroboros:

Humor me for one moment and assume the following as true:
RMOJ, Kaede, Impossibear, Wilky, Dave conftown.

Given this information and the vent scumflip, who is his most likely partner?

I'm asking because I believe you clearly saw more in vent's ISO than I did, which gives you better insight into who is related there. Also because I am much better at townhunting than anything else, and I am very confident on the above. However, I don't even know where to begin with Vent, so if I could use your brain with my townreads, that would give me a good place to look deeper.

ETL

tchill - who did you hide behind last night and why?

ETL

I would very much appreciate responses to these, please.

@ETL

a little bit of flawed logic for insta-clearing wilky there.

yes his flavor checks out but it could just be his MANLY SAFECLAIM given by the game host

Yeah I know fake claims exist. So? First of all, what motivates a scum miller to not only claim the way he did but counter dave the way he did?

If there's a wilky case, I'd like to hear it. As of right now, I've read nothing - not even just something convincing, literally nothing about why he's scum. This is looking like it's going to be another RC-rams-his-opinion-down-everyone's-throat day, and I'm not interested in that.

I'm pretty sure someone can clear wilky very easily. They should do that.

tchill on the other hand... why the fuck does anyone think that slot is town??

ETL

what? weren't you the one who wanted wilky dead? or maybe i misremembered

anyway, it's tough for me to follow the 180 but i'm okay with a dead tchill or verylazy

[Impossibear]

Re: Wilky's flavor - I happen to be very familiar with the games. As in, I spend far too much time with Bethesda games in general. When Wilky first claimed and provided a tidbit about what he was - "a prototype synth", I knew exactly who he

could

be. I wanted

him

to confirm that for me or not.

He confirmed it for me. For the same reason that RMOJ is conftown, so is wilky, to me at least. It doesn't matter what anyone says about "yeah but mods do this and mods that with flavor" there's no fucking way in hell that character is ever aligned with the institute in any universe whatsoever, and there are no other institute-aligned "prototype synths".

So there.

ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Re: Wilky's flavor - I happen to be very familiar with the games. As in, I spend far too much time with Bethesda games in general. When Wilky first claimed and provided a tidbit about what he was - "a prototype synth", I knew exactly who he

could

be. I wanted

him

to confirm that for me or not.

He confirmed it for me. For the same reason that RMOJ is conftown, so is wilky, to me at least. It doesn't matter what anyone says about "yeah but mods do this and mods that with flavor" there's no fucking way in hell that character is ever aligned with the institute in any universe whatsoever, and there are no other institute-aligned "prototype synths".

So there.

ETL

no but in most games i play scum get their obviously-scum-flavored real character with their real role and then provided a safeclaim that are either ambiguously aligned characters or downright town-sounding flavor characters which are meant to be claimed if necessary