Micro 800-A: Double Day Unlimited [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

Day One, Lynch Two

Votecount 1.16

Pine (4):

Not_Mafia, Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Dunnstral

Katyusha (4):

Not_Mafia, Pine, Plotinus, RedFlavor

RedFlavor (1):

Not_Mafia

Plotinus (2):

Not_Mafia, Dunnstral

Not_Mafia (2):

Pine, Cogito Ergo Sum

Dunnstral (2):

Pine, RedFlavor

Not Voting (1):

Ausuka

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-05-20 01:00:59)

Mod Notes:

Not_Mafia has an extra 24 hours to post before being prodded due to his V/LA.

[Pine]

I sensed a mislynch coming and moved off of it. I was right, while you kept on lynching.

Remind me how I'm the one on trial here?

[Katyusha]

Scum can whiteknight mislynches and nothing about why you even gave intent to hammer (your top two scumreads are pushing the same lynch and you want to

hammer

?? in what universe is that good play??) made sense in the first place so I'm trying to figure out if I should even consider the off-chance your slot is blacklist worthy town.

If me trying to sort you hurts your feelings or something I'm more than happy to drop the issue and just prodge until you're lynched. Until then I don't want a single loose end tied up and I don't want to be wrong on a second lynch.

[Pine]

Yeah I just don't see why you think that makes me scum...

Which is frustrating because Ranmaru and I both think you're town.

unvote: Katy
vote: Dunnstral

These both strike me as SUPER agenda-driven. I've been having a hard time reading singer all game, but this is setting off alarm bells.

Intent to hammer.

Singer, please give a final readslists and comments.

Bolded is what you're pretending not to see.

[Dunnstral]

Plotinus strikes me as a bad lynch because I don't think he's ever scum without Pine also being scum. Same goes for Dunn and Katy. I want to look at {CES, RF, NM} more closely.

Why isn't Plotinus scum with Pine?

[Pine]

Because Alisae flipped Town

[Katyusha]

Bolded is what you're pretending not to see.

No, I see it plainly. That doesn't change the fact that you've literally been gunning for my lynch the whole game and called n_m my partner for ??? reasons (yes, i know what you

said

those reasons were, it doesn't change the fact they're outright terrible). If you're going to hammer a wagon being pushed by your scumreads you better have a good reason to explain why scum are bussing.

Plus those dont even look agenda driven lmao

Is it weird to be frustrated that a townread scumreads you? What was wrong with that dunnstral vote after singer townread me and felt Dunn was playing differently to WF? Like again completely fakeable but that doesn't mean that it's townie. Nothing about those posts were pingy or townie.

[Dunnstral]

Because Alisae flipped Town

This is bad reasoning for Plotinus here

[Pine]

So you disagree with my reasons for SRing her

Even though you were voting there

I was satisfied when she posted better content, and eased off

She flips Town

Why does scum!me just keep the vote?

PE: Bite me, Dunn. Given a Town and Scum Ali/Plot don't go Town/Scum

[Katyusha]

Because it's cheap and easy towncred and Dunn was going to hammer anyway because the wagon composition is primarily town? This is a dumb line of questioning and you know that.

What I want to know is the substantial stuff that actually lets me tell the difference between scum whiteknighting/trying to get towncred off a lynch and town.

Why

was her content townie? You've literally just said it

was

townie and pointed to a post. I am obviously looking for something deeper.

[Pine]

Yes.

I agree.

This is a dumb line of questioning.

[Katyusha]

Then why ask why scum!you gives intent if you know it's a bad line of questioning...

[Pine]

*eyeroll*

I was trolling you, Kat. THIS is a bad line of questioning. You're grilling me and splitting hairs over a position I held for about five seconds, going from soft TR to suspicion to satisfied hard TR. It's not rocket surgery.

She made a couple of suspicious posts, I got nervous, and her subsequent behavior calmed me down and solidified my original read.

Stop being obtuse. My manufactured scumreads are way more coordinated than that. It's arguably the biggest tell I haven't been able to sand away.

[Katyusha]

It's funny because you're grilling me for also changing my mind about my read on you, lmao

But, no, I don't think you're understanding what you're getting at because I understand

what

your trajectory is, I want to know

why

your trajectory went that way. Because I don't see WHAT about the post you linked made your read into a satisfied hard townread.

[Katyusha]

I'm really regretting not lolhammering you when you were begging me to.

[Katyusha]

also giving intent on a soft tr (you said at one point you were scumreading her earlier so i don't actually know where it went from scumread > townread > scumread > townread) because of a few offputting posts feels a bit nonsensical when your hard scumreads are the ones pushing that lynch

[Pine]

It's funny because you're grilling me for also changing my mind about my read on you, lmao

But, no, I don't think you're understanding what you're getting at because I understand

what

your trajectory is, I want to know

why

your trajectory went that way. Because I don't see WHAT about the post you linked made your read into a satisfied hard townread.

You aren't required to AGREE with my logic. I've explained myself, and am quite done with this absurd interrogation.

[Katyusha]

Of course I don't have to agree with it, I just want to fuckign KNOW the logic holy fucking shit

[Katyusha]

like in what world is "Why did you townread this post" an absurd fucking question

[Ausuka]

Plotinus strikes me as a bad lynch because I don't think he's ever scum without Pine also being scum. Same goes for Dunn and Katy. I want to look at {CES, RF, NM} more closely.

Why isn't Plotinus scum with Pine?

He totally could be but Pine is always the better lynch there because Pine is far more likely to be scum with someone else than Plot is.

[Plotinus]

Actually one thing that's important:

I would like Alisae and Plot to tell me where they would be after I flip town in terms of reads.

Ali says that in the unlikely event that you flip town, posts like this could make em re-evaluate Pine:

PE: Bite me, Dunn. Given a Town and Scum Ali/Plot don't go Town/Scum

because if he was town who was interested in getting Dunn to townread us he'd give more of an explanation about why we're town rather than doubling down on the same reasoning which makes us worried they're not reading us for our play. As for me, I think that if Katy is town after all then maybe this is one of those games where the low hanging fruit are actually scum and we're going around in circles because "it can't be that easy."

Btw, Mastina is spinning wild conspiracy theories about you and Kat in our thread, about you two working together to push singer as a cw to Kat, then discrediting the Katyusha wagon.

Ftr, I don't believe her.

huh. I can see it if I squint but I think Ausuka's town.

I think Plotinus is scum here and they're not really engaging with the game and I don't see why he can't choose scum.

VOTE: Pine
VOTE: Plotinus

Dunn, you're right that I'm having trouble engaging with the game. I came out of retirement too soon. I thought I was doing well enough when I signed up for the game but these past couple weeks have been harder irl than expected. My head feels like it's stuffed with cotton wool. It helps when people engage me, though. I want to be here though and I'm going to keep trying.

[Pine]

like in what world is "Why did you townread this post" an absurd fucking question

In a world where I've explained it several times and you've rejected the explanation. Then asking AGAIN becomes absurd.

I SEE YOU SAID 2 + 2 = 5

Yup

AND THEN YOU CHANGED YOIR ANSWER TO FOUR

Yeah I miscounted

BUT WHY DID YOU SAY FIVE

I miscounted. By the way you were saying five too, and didn't figure it out

BUT YOU SAID FIVE AT FIRST! I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THEIR MINDS

Dude I miscounted. Also, we know the answer is four now. I reassessed and got the right answer, while you derped your way into saying five the whole time

YES BUT WHY DID YOU SAY FIVE THEN FOUR. EXPLAIN IT AGAIN SLOWLY

[Katyusha]

The solution here Pine is to explain to me that it's 4 and not 5 by explaining to me what addition is or drawing a picture.

Me: 4? How did you get 4?
You: I already told you the answer is 4! Fuck you!
Me: I don't get it, please explain.

This can easily be solved by, oh I don't know, drawing a picture?

Here are two dots: '', and here's another two: ''. Now count them - wow, it's four!

Now you said 296 was townie to you. Cool! I explained why even in retrospect that post looked entirely fakeable and felt why I explained that way. I want to know what about that post you found townie. Draw the fucking picture. If you want to make the thread toxic or just be a steaming pile of garbage that's your prerogative, just give a non-answer like "gut" or something and I'll get off your case. I won't even ask the inevitable followup of "well what about it pinged your gut" I'll literally shut the fuck up because you obviously don't give a shit about the possibility we've just been tvt'ing the entire fucking game and letting scum walk to their win because you can't reevaluate or engage with people you scumread. I think the likelier answer is that you're not an incompetent town player who relies on misrepping people's play and has the ego the size of a fucking train, but I'm more than willing to be proven wrong!

And fucking lol about "I don't trust people who change their mind" that's LITERALLY why you're pushing me in the first place like actually fuck out of here

And Plot, I'm glad to know that Ali is at least willing to reevaluate Pine if I'm mislynched. I wasn't sure how strong that meta read was and the possibility Pine was town is honestly 90% of why this game has been mentally taxing on me. Lycan offered to replace out but I refuse on principle because i think I need the experience dealing with players like this to become a better player. Or I might just stop playing Mafia if Pine is town here. I haven't really decided yet.

[Katyusha]

felt why I explained that way. I

*explained why I felt that way

[northsidegal]

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