Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

Elli’s methods are his program lol.

Ellibereth sucks at reading me and is swingy as fuck. Sometimes he is right sometimes not even with his program.

And no he should just truth tell. There is no way there were 4 masons in the setup. And I was right. He should have immediately rescinded. I cannot see that pair as town and when lovebird who has been doing fuck all flips scum you are gonna be next for trying to sort lovebird getting the fake that you said made them scum then calling them town for it because of a player not in the game.

“Hey look I have an Ellibereth town on dino he is scum!” (Half hearted joke obvs)

I literally don't understand most of the syntax of your paragraph.

- Go read the Paragon thread. I don't think you understand how Elli gets his tells. The program isn't ACTUALLY a neural net that spits out alignments, that's a meme (one that I will continue propagating ngl).

- Elli being bad at reading some players doesn't mean that meta-tells don't work. Elli doesn't have any tells on RC, or a lot of the scum players that can manipulate their meta. Other players ARE able to meta-read RC. beeboy happens to be able to meta-read Lovebird, and he has, in his ISO, backed up that claim.

- He should have but he didn't. I'd policy lynch him if he were here, but he's not.

- If Lovebird flips scum, then that makes beeboy scum, I agree. Contrapositive of beeboy-town --> Lovebird town.

- Elli does have tells on me. He considers me one of the easiest players to meta-read.

[Mathdino]

You're dodging the question of "If beeboy is town, is Lovebird also town?"

End of the day, that conditional is what's gonna solve the game.

MOMOMEN town --> Cheeky/Dino town (this is part of why I knew Cheeky was town before replacing in)
Dino town --> Not_Mafia town (RedFlavor is my #2 easiest to read player next to Creature)

beeboy town --> Lovebird town (by Elli-tell)

and mastina <--> NicoRobin town

Read all remaining and we win.

[OnTheMark]

You're dodging the question of "If beeboy is town, is Lovebird also town?"

End of the day, that conditional is what's gonna solve the game.

MOMOMEN town --> Cheeky/Dino town (this is part of why I knew Cheeky was town before replacing in)
Dino town --> Not_Mafia town (RedFlavor is my #2 easiest to read player next to Creature)

beeboy town --> Lovebird town (by Elli-tell)

and mastina <--> NicoRobin town

Read all remaining and we win.

I am not dodging the question.

I already said I don’t buy that premise.

You said before you didn’t realize Cheeky was in the game you lying then or now?

And I don’t trust beeboy’s reads. Even if Beeboy is town I don’t believe in Elli town. I destroyed Elli tells and you’re all “I don’t get it” rather than just fucking comprehend it.

If I ever die and lovebird isn’t dead you lynch them immediately

[Mathdino]

How does "Elli-tells don't work on Lovebird" follow from "Elli-tells don't work on Mathblade"???

I don't give a fuck if you don't buy that premise.

And I said that I didn't realise Cheeky was in the game before her name popped up on replacement queue. When it did, I read her ISO and the events leading to her replace-out. You didn't seem to mind me "lying" about it when I got in a spat with LLD. But now you're dredging it up because I'm not playing friendly with you anymore.

If you're town, you're compromised, and you and mastina post way too much to de-shitshow this game.

[OnTheMark]

I'm willing to lynch in Wisdom, Mom, LLD today. I think Yume and mastina will self-resolve as time goes on. Tbh I think there's a possibility of a mastina/eddie scum team rereading early today. It would make sense for Eddie to claim then mastina to say it validates the scumminess of her own claim, then for mastina to give eddie the pro-scum inventions for distribution. I could be missing something there. Will relook and case it.

she changed her mind on momrangal later on (and randomly tunneled redflavor so wtf) but i am predisposed to cherrypicking the parts that i like

Lynchpool currently:
Momrangal
OTM
MariaR
Kokichi

lovebird is not playing her towngame as far as i'm seeing, but masons rarely play their towngame so wtf do i know

i need people with solid meta knowledge on nicorobin

The bolded is you.

Elli is not in this game. His methods are not here. His methods are a program and word choice. Easy as fuck to fool. Especially if you never post. Yes Elli has “good” games but he has bad ones. Just like everyone else.

I could literally do exactly what Ellibereth does and get a scum on Lovebirf right now. Elli tell is has and will be a joke to me.

[OnTheMark]

How does "Elli-tells don't work on Lovebird" follow from "Elli-tells don't work on Mathblade"???

I don't give a fuck if you don't buy that premise.

And I said that I didn't realise Cheeky was in the game before her name popped up on replacement queue. When it did, I read her ISO and the events leading to her replace-out. You didn't seem to mind me "lying" about it when I got in a spat with LLD. But now you're dredging it up because I'm not playing friendly with you anymore.

If you're town, you're compromised, and you and mastina post way too much to de-shitshow this game.

Because it wasn’t a core premise to your argument.

I am not compromised I am logical.

You’re saying emotional because I have passion.

You’re building complex chains to avoid the reality. Nahdia/beeboy and lovebird faked being masons. They need to die.

There is nothing more logical. You’re twisting shit to get out of it.

[Pine]

Mathdino I believe you were on the money with {Maria, Kokichi}

I feel especially strong about Kokichi.

Just ignore OTM. You're right, he's playing by pure emotion, but those emotions are frustration and stubbornness., which is Townish.

Lynch Kokichi with me. Maybe there's a vig which will make our lives easier.

[Mathdino]

I defer to beeboy's ability to read Lovebird.

Cuz, yknow, I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm the best person to be reading everyone in this game.

Edit: @Pine: No, mastina is also compromised as long as OTM is alive. This town is nonfunctional.

[Pine]

Recall also that LLD is hard-defending OTM with a role-related reason. I don't see scum!LLD doing that, which means Town!LLD actually has information.

[Mathdino]

I need a majority to agree to "beeboy town implies Lovebird town". The fact that no one pointed it out to me until I found it myself is pretty shit. Lovebird can't die if Nahdia does. And honestly, I'm lowkey townreading beeboy for pulling that shit.

OTM hurts that majority. If it's clear that a large portion of the other players agree to that partial gamesolve, then yeah I'll go with Maria/Kokichi.

Edit: I see scum!LLD doing that just fine. And role is not alignment indicative. Unless her read is >95%, OTM is the best possible townflip that can happen. If Maria or Kokichi flips town, we're back in the exact same shitshow tomorrow.

Convince mastina to stop filling 80% of her catchups with "OTM IS SCUM CAPSSSS" and that'll also work for me.

[Pine]

Just ignore OTM

We're regaining functionality.

You, me, LLD, Lovebird, probably Nahdia, Mastina if she can focus. That's the Townbloc that's going to turn this shitshow around.

It starts with Kokichi and Maria.

Hell, I'll even fall in line with you because I think both Kokichi and Maria are scum.

VOTE: Maria

Getting dragged into OTM's petulance just perpetuates the problem. Be pro-Town

[Mathdino]

I expect Nahdia to fall in line just because we're lynching her if she doesn't, yeah.

Get LLD and mastina/NicoRobin to focus then I'm game.

Add MOMOMEN to that majority I think. No reason Eddie won't play ball.

[OnTheMark]

I need a majority to agree to "beeboy town implies Lovebird town". The fact that no one pointed it out to me until I found it myself is pretty shit. Lovebird can't die if Nahdia does. And honestly, I'm lowkey townreading beeboy for pulling that shit.

OTM hurts that majority. If it's clear that a large portion of the other players agree to that partial gamesolve, then yeah I'll go with Maria/Kokichi.

Edit: I see scum!LLD doing that just fine. And role is not alignment indicative. Unless her read is >95%, OTM is the best possible townflip that can happen. If Maria or Kokichi flips town, we're back in the exact same shitshow tomorrow.

Convince mastina to stop filling 80% of her catchups with "OTM IS SCUM CAPSSSS" and that'll also work for me.

Not when I fucking force Momrangal to confirm mastina is masons and not fakeclaiming too. If Momrangal lies that is suicide. And if I am alive Momrangal gets a result.

And no

That block is bullshit.

Lovebird needs to go now.

And I didn’t point it out because it’s irrelebant. It is a read.

[OnTheMark]

Just ignore OTM

We're regaining functionality.

You, me, LLD, Lovebird, probably Nahdia, Mastina if she can focus. That's the Townbloc that's going to turn this shitshow around.

It starts with Kokichi and Maria.

Hell, I'll even fall in line with you because I think both Kokichi and Maria are scum.

VOTE: Maria

Getting dragged into OTM's petulance just perpetuates the problem. Be pro-Town

Petulance my ass. Lovebird is scum and someone is scum trying to save them.

[Mathdino]

{OTM, Lovebird, beeboy} town implies Pine town. Going this route is suicide for Pine. Too trusting of all the conditionals I'm throwing around.

Conversely thinking Pine possible-to-likely scum with any of {OTM, Lovebird, beeboy}. Not a situation that needs to be resolved now though.

[Pine]

*shrug*

I've got a provably-Town role. Think what you want, bruv.

[MariaR]

Town by me: Not_Mafia
Town by tomorrow morning: mastina, NicoRobin
Town by extension of beeboy: Lovebird

Honestly probably town anyway: MOMOMEN, Nahdia

Not town but bad lynch today: Momrangal, Pine, LLD

Not town but good lynch: MariaR, Kokichi, OTM

VOTE: MariaR

Policy or reasons?

[MariaR]

What makes me scum Pine? Your own words not Ali ty.

[Mathdino]

So we're kind of at a point where because we're leaving Momrangal, mastina/Nico, and Pine/me alive, and because Eddie won't flip, and because Lovebird can't get lynched before beeboy,

the only useful slots to sort right now are

Not_Mafia, Kokichi, LLD, MariaR, Nahdia, OTM, correct?

Edit: PoE + policy + I think it's easier to lynch you than Kokichi.

[MariaR]

Can you read my iso and try to give reason for scum me instead of policy so the gamestate isn't ruined it's the main reason I avoid you. If we can get that out of the way it's fine

[OnTheMark]

So we're kind of at a point where because we're leaving Momrangal, mastina/Nico, and Pine/me alive, and because Eddie won't flip, and because Lovebird can't get lynched before beeboy,

the only useful slots to sort right now are

Not_Mafia, Kokichi, LLD, MariaR, Nahdia, OTM, correct?

Edit: PoE + policy + I think it's easier to lynch you than Kokichi.

Lovebird MUST be lynched before Nahdia even if you believe in Ellitell.

What the fuck? The useful slots to sort are you and Pine and Beeboy and Lovebird.

[MariaR]

I'm mostly shocked we're not lynching conf scum mech wise. Like the fact Mastina and Dino don't have a hard on for lynching mon is shocking

[MariaR]

The lynch pool is my top 2 tr's and myself I'm gonna be sick.

[OnTheMark]

I'm mostly shocked we're not lynching conf scum mech wise. Like the fact Mastina and Dino don't have a hard on for lynching mon is shocking

Lol Momrangal is not conf scum mechwise. Otherwise anyone with a scummy sounding role is conf scum. That’s just bad.

Conf scum is lovebird and Nahdia for fakeclaiming.

[MariaR]

in no world is a mason cop going to town with only 1 pair of masons reeee