Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Impossibear]

what? weren't you the one who wanted wilky dead? or maybe i misremembered

anyway, it's tough for me to follow the 180 but i'm okay with a dead tchill or verylazy

The

only

reason I was even considering the possibility of wilky being scum is because of RC. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but it doesn't pan.

p-edit:

YEAH OK BUT THEN WHY COUNTER DAVE?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like okay that character is definitely not aligned with scum

but most games i see is that character not existing in the game at all and is just provided as a safeclaim for scum

is this not the case in the large theme games on MAFIASCUM.NET?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

what? weren't you the one who wanted wilky dead? or maybe i misremembered

anyway, it's tough for me to follow the 180 but i'm okay with a dead tchill or verylazy

The

only

reason I was even considering the possibility of wilky being scum is because of RC. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but it doesn't pan.

p-edit:

YEAH OK BUT THEN WHY COUNTER DAVE?

okay then i have no clue

[Impossibear]

You're telling me GiF used that character for a SAFECLAIM and not a REAL PLAYER ROLE? Really...???

p-edit: fine whatever I don't care. I clearly have no support in this game.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

i would prefer it if you shoot between the CC-ing miller claims next time though. we gotta get rid of them at some point and hopefully not through a lynch. though what's done is done

p-edit: i dont fucking know the flavor. you tell me

[Impossibear]

There's a limit to how much WIFOM I'm willing to take on. You gotta stop the paranoia somewhere to get anything done.

p-edit: More will have to happen before that happens, to be honest. I need more on why wilky is scum if I'm to even consider that avenue of action.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

There's a limit to how much WIFOM I'm willing to take on. You gotta stop the paranoia somewhere to get anything done.

p-edit: More will have to happen before that happens, to be honest. I need more on why wilky is scum if I'm to even consider that avenue of action.

give me a pool of players your are willing to lynch

[Impossibear]

tchill
hebichan

maria
wraith
ram
dunnstral
verylazy
ouroboros for lulz

bolded are my actual "probably scum" reads. the rest are meh reads. the last is just .. what it is.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

actually a good list. i'll buy that

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

If this guy doesn't have an alternative PT to be posting in, why the fuck is he making several separate posts in several separate posts?
This is an individual account, not a hydra, and given that they are new they don't have the ability to even make PTs.

Where is he making these separate posts properly forum formatted to be posted together when, if he's town, doesn't have access to any MS PTs?
Why is he taking so long and waiting to post everything together in the first place? What reasoning makes sense there besides him being scum who was holding off to let his team critique his posting?

Town has zero motivation to delay responses until later since clearly he had written these well in advance of 2:23- scum who is getting scumread because of their bad play and wanting team support does.

Hmmm...
738: Thu May 10, 2018 2:23:30 pm
739: Thu May 10, 2018 2:23:46 pm
740: Thu May 10, 2018 2:24:00 pm
741: Thu May 10, 2018 2:24:11 pm (To note he quoted a post 300ish posts older and made a reply in 11 seconds)
742: Thu May 10, 2018 2:25:28 pm

I dunno the first 4 timestamps look a little bit too quick, but they may be a fast typer, i'll keep this in mind for the future.

HOLY FUCK HE DID NOT TYPE THOSE POSTS IN 16 SECONDS AND 11 SECONDS.

KEEP THIS IN MIND FOR WHAT FUTURE

KAEDE YOU'RE HARD PLAYING SCUM WINCON RIGHT NOW

Actually, I guess you have a point, sorry
VOTE: Ventriloquist

VOTE: ventriloquist

tchill did this though. did you think it was a bus?

[Ramcius]

well, he had to claim early or don't claim at all, so it makes sense to CC Dave or his fakeclaim become useless

also, are you trying outguess GiF on what roles he would put in game and what wouldn't? This falls under same argument as to why scum need fakeclaims and why they must be believable - so town couldn't just solve game by claiming flavour

[Impossibear]

Ok. You believe what you want to believe. I'll go with occam's razor.

[Impossibear]

tchill did this though. did you think it was a bus?

Yes of course. What did he do in that post besides quote some people and vote with them?

[Ramcius]

Ok. You believe what you want to believe. I'll go with occam's razor.

your Ocam's razor says GiF put 2 millers again instead of messing with us by adding scum miller and normal one?

[Wraith]

@Ram - I think you've misunderstood those quotes. It reads to me like Wraith is saying he's assuming none of the claims made at the time were false, not that the mod failed to provide safeclaims at all.

@Ram: This

[Ouroboros]

Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

How is this scum indicative? I'm not following.

Ghost

[Ramcius]

Wraith being confident is scum not having fakeclaims D1

How is this scum indicative? I'm not following.

Ghost

fake townslip, but apparently i just misunderstood

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

VOTE: tchill

MANWAGON

[Ouroboros]

your manwagon is a bitchwagon given that you man hard defended the shit out of scum yesterday.

With Ventriloquist I was sure to the point of willing to bet my rep on in a way that none of the games you'd be comparing to are realistic comparisons to.
Wilky is a different tier of scumread where I'm like 80%ish sure that he's scum and he really needs death but I can't say that he flips scum literally all of the time.

That said: I shouldn't have to. I've earned enough trust to get this one through, particularly given that this lobby has made clear he walks to endgame if I don't stop him now.

I am willing to brute force this if necessary.

[Ouroboros]

Now: I feel pretty damn certain at that point that scum have fakeclaims because the last flip's claim is a literal scumclaim. I think it is precisely within the bounds of what GIF would do to give scum a miller role as a fakeclaim to mess with people, even if the character itself is not an actual miller. All these arguments that Wilky would not have claimed there are bullshit: scum sees the conflicting miller claims, first thing they do is mod meta. Ventriloquist even said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Wilky has done research and is relying on the miller claim because he realises the host has done this before, especially since he chose to highlight that it wasn't far fetched for there to be 2 millers again. As Alchemist said though, this is relying on some pretty niche assumptions so I'm not buying it just yet.

aka, that they would potentially be willing to jump into the miller counterclaim situation after mod metaing, and that's exactly what happened I believe.
Tchill is a lame wagon that like don't get me wrong isn't never scum but Wilky is never getting lynched with me gone with several people's attitudes so.

[Ouroboros]

Like once they see the miller counterclaim and they go back and see that there's mod meta of multiple town millers... why wouldn't they counterclaim?
This isn't a spectacularly convoluted read, you're basically assuming that scum are grossly incompetent if you think they knee jerk never counterclaim.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

VOTE: wilky

[Ouroboros]

Particularly given that they would know there is at least one person in this game who is aware of the mod meta who would immediately shut it down as a true counterclaim, and that person even in the last game immediately locked both millers as town based on the same mod meta.

It's a very safe counterclaim that has a lot of potential to basically hand scum the game. Scum would have CCed there.

Does that mean he's scum 100% of the time? No, I can't promise that. I think he's very very likely not town because I don't understand town him well enough to say that he NEVER plays this game as town. But I can say with 100% certainty that if he was scum with a miller fakeclaim this is exactly what it looks like.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I am willing to brute force this if necessary.

I'm not dealing with this, again. I'm done.

[Ouroboros]

I am willing to brute force this if necessary.

I'm not dealing with this, again. I'm done.

Address my reasoning then. I'm not like screaming in anyone's face here and I'm a lot less opaque than I was about ventriloquist.