Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

honestly whatever

lets get tchill to l-1, ETL be vote #3 to fulfill the quest, then lynch wilky

[Impossibear]

I am willing to brute force this if necessary.

I'm not dealing with this, again. I'm done.

Address my reasoning then. I'm not like screaming in anyone's face here and I'm a lot less opaque than I was about ventriloquist.

First, I've asked you for your input, which you've repeatedly ignored. Second, what reasoning? I see zero reasoning, other than "I know wilky is scum". That's not good enough for me. Sorry.

And to be quite honest, I just don't care anymore. I was hoping today would be different since you said Ghost would be the primary poster but it has been the opposite. I've seen ONE ghost post today.

It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Jingle might continue this, but I don't think I care to.

ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

hey come on now we're all town here thats a plus

scum autolose

theres no need to be mean just play nice

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like who gives a fuck scum just autolose right now

[Ouroboros]

Like basically everyone agrees that Wilky is scum by most of their play this game. It's not like Vent where I'm going off obscure shit.

Where we disagree is that Wilky's CC locktowns him and I believe that I have the best understanding of GIF mod meta + how scum would deal with that claim in this game. If you disagree with either my mod meta on GIF (that he would put a scum miller to fuck with me + others after I told him I literally insta ICed both miller claims in our previous game) or that scum would in fact counterclaim once they found a mod meta of multiple town millers, then talk about it.

First, I've asked you for your input, which you've repeatedly ignored. Second, what reasoning? I see zero reasoning, other than "I know wilky is scum". That's not good enough for me. Sorry.

And to be quite honest, I just don't care anymore. I was hoping today would be different since you said Ghost would be the primary poster but it has been the opposite. I've seen ONE ghost post today.

It doesn't fucking matter anyway. Jingle might continue this, but I don't think I care to.

ETL

Oh Ghost was gonna primary post when I thought I had managed to fuck up on a read of that level of certainty aka it was time for me to take a break.
I have given input: Wilky doesn't influence my readslist much. Go back to my original readslist and look at my other scumreads, Verylazy specifically.
I'm also not super good feeling about Wraith but not 100% there either. I'm hoping he actually does more at some point.

[MariaR]

oh dear I am almost in prod range

*post*

[Kaede Akamatsu]

>complains about RC not providing reasoning
>completely ignores my reasoning

[Ouroboros]

But, like, I've given so much reasoning. Not just in favour of the miller claim being null but why it's scum indicative even.
Like if it was a miller CC and he was town not knowing the mod meta he'd have freaked out and behaved totally different there.

I also cased how his approach to MWNN vs Ventriloquist was weird, I said so much stuff.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

i actually support the wilky wagon here fwiw

[Impossibear]

That is weak as hell, plus I disagree about the CC. But truly, I don't care anymore. Do what you want without me.

Fallout 2 came out in 1998. I've been a fan ever since. Obsessed. I've got over 500 hours into FO4 alone. My fiance and I go as vault dwellers for Halloween frequently. We own all the games for xbox 360/One and PC, plus FO Shelter on iPad, mobile and steam. When I saw GIF made a large theme for the latest game, I was beyond excited. I had no idea there'd be a player who would make the experience so distasteful.

This is not "Let RC walk all over everyone", but that's what's happening. It doesn't even matter if he's right or not. The fact that he has no notion of how to speak to people or help others understand his point of view without ramrodding his own opinion over everyone else's makes this completely un-enjoyable.

For someone like me who is a huge fan of the series and a huge fan of GIF's games in general, this is a massive disappointment, and honestly makes me question my decision to come back in the first place. I've already let Jingle know I'm not interested in continuing, so please speak to him if you absolutely must address this slot.

ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

holy fuck calm the fuck down

this is going to be a steamroll

wilky is actually scummy here, claim aside

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like i actually want to play with you ETL can you not

[wilky]

Now: I feel pretty damn certain at that point that scum have fakeclaims because the last flip's claim is a literal scumclaim. I think it is precisely within the bounds of what GIF would do to give scum a miller role as a fakeclaim to mess with people, even if the character itself is not an actual miller. All these arguments that Wilky would not have claimed there are bullshit: scum sees the conflicting miller claims, first thing they do is mod meta. Ventriloquist even said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Wilky has done research and is relying on the miller claim because he realises the host has done this before, especially since he chose to highlight that it wasn't far fetched for there to be 2 millers again. As Alchemist said though, this is relying on some pretty niche assumptions so I'm not buying it just yet.

aka, that they would potentially be willing to jump into the miller counterclaim situation after mod metaing, and that's exactly what happened I believe.
Tchill is a lame wagon that like don't get me wrong isn't never scum but Wilky is never getting lynched with me gone with several people's attitudes so.

RC I know you like using meta dives so you can go ahead and meta dive me if you like. I don't even use meta to read players (except maybe NM) so why would I meta dive a mod?

[Ouroboros]

Step 1: receive miller fakeclaim
Step 2: Davesaz claims miller on page 1
Step 3: consternation in scum chat. what do we do here?
Step 4: Meta dive and find history of GIF putting two town millers. On top of that, 2 players are in the game who know of that mod meta (RC and Kaede Akamatsu.)
Step 5: 'counterclaim' Davesaz expecting someone to bring up the mod meta here, hence you seeking information rather than outright calling them scum.
Step 6: Ventriloquist completely avoids engaging with the Wilky wagon in any form after saying that he thinks it's possible that you're scum, instead chainsaw voting Ramcius for voting you.

[GuyInFreezer]

2.02

wilky (3):

MariaR, Ouroboros, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Dunnstral (2):

Ankamius,

Kokichi Oma (2):

Dunnstral

Impossibear (1):

hebichan

Ramcius (3):

wilky, Ramcius, Impossibear

Tchill13 (1):

Wraith

Not Voting:

Tchill13, Kokichi Oma, Nero Cain, Alchemist21, Kaede Akamatsu, davesaz

With

16

alive,

9

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-27 22:26:54)

[wilky]

As I said go ahead check my meta that is definitely not within my range. I mean I just wouldn't even have the time to.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: wilky

im just gonna sheep what seems like decent logic.

off the past few pages i agree with the reasoning behind the wilky wagon.

[Ouroboros]

Who says that you specifically had to do it?

[Kokichi Oma]

tchill
hebichan

maria
wraith
ram
dunnstral
verylazy
ouroboros for lulz

bolded are my actual "probably scum" reads. the rest are meh reads. the last is just .. what it is.

I'm not verylazy anymore. I'm me. What did you not like about my previous slot and what's your impression of me so far

[Kokichi Oma]

actually a good list. i'll buy that

REAL MEN give a reason for agreeing with people

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: wilky

im just gonna sheep what seems like decent logic.

off the past few pages i agree with the reasoning behind the wilky wagon.

So basically just going against your counter wagon

[Kokichi Oma]

Off claims I'd lynch wilky. Off posts, I'd lynch to chill. My problem is that scum isnt usually this easy to lynch. When I have time I'll look at vent's interactions with people

[Ouroboros]

I make life easy for you. aren't you thankful?

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod- are you willing to confirm wether scum have fake claims?

Hah you funny

[Ouroboros]

No like I'm actually not literally 100% certain Wilky is scum. I've repeatedly asked for you to engage with me on it where I didn't for Vent because I can be persuaded here.
I made my points, asked for thoughts on it, you just got mad at me for leading the playerlist when today I've been doing so solely through strength of reasoning rather than character.

I think Wilky scum makes a shitton of sense in the gamestate particularly given Ventriloquist's approach to the slot, but like I'm open to persuading
You've made no effort to actually push Wilky scum besides to say that they're locktown because of flavor, which is... bad reasoning

And wilky, your defense keeps coming down to whether or not scum have fakeclaims and arguments that don't address the case at all so, meh.